Is this the Golden Age of Jews?

[Coeus]

Jews have reached their status through superior intellect.

But, they haven't reached the current status in the past. So, how do you explain their past superior intellect?

I suspect that they have always been smart, but massive discrimination against them inhibited their success in the past.
When Jews are given equality, they contribute greatly to the societies in which they reside. Look up the Jewish Golden age in Muslim controlled Spain, where Jewish intellectual thought flourished because the Muslim rulers gave them equality (many Jews in fact served in the Caliph government, even as Prime Ministers). In the United States today, everyone is equal before the law. Some minority groups flourish, like Jews and Koreans, and others not so much....like our Western African cousins.
Other than "world wide conspiracy", no one seems explain Jewish influence/power other than by saying they are either naturally smarter than everybody else, or have a superior work ethic. I suspect it's a mixture of both.

Exactly

[NewHargeisaGirl]

Does the thread starter still believe Norway is controlled by the Jewish?

[Voltage]

Probably because nobody was harassing them, like they used to be these past 5000 years

No, they have been harassed throughout history.

Because nobility made money talk before while money makes everything talk now. Go and research the Rothschilds to see how a Jewish family controlled Europe's coffers for centuries. Before there wasn't a global marketplace that dictated prices and control nor oil nor gas nor any of these things. There were ruling familes with armies who could be promised payment after war or pillage. Jews were as financially powerful as they are now but back then there different equations. Even in Islamic history, we know even during the prophet's tenure as leader of Medina Jews were the merchants and money lenders.

[Bamaarn]

But give them credit, they stick together and know how to organize themselves.

How do you explain Jews who are against Jews, like those who are against the existence of Israel? Not all of them stick together, and there was Jews-against-Jews violence and enmity in the past. You should read some history.

[Voltage]

But give them credit, they stick together and know how to organize themselves.

How do you explain Jews who are against Jews, like those who are against the existence of Israel? Not all of them stick together, and there was Jews-against-Jews violence and enmity in the past. You should read some history.

The majority of Jews are Liberals. Their existence, disenfrenchisement, and oppression in Diaspora has made Jews the ultimate Liberals who champion freedom and equality for humanity. In that respect, you can understand why Jews, such as one of my best friends since 6th grade, are against Israeli state actions or why J-Street was formed by powerful American Jews to counter what they see as "reactionary" AIPAC. Richard Holbrooke was motivated by his parents treatment in the Holocaust to be the American that forced the American government to bomb Serbs who where massacring Muslim Bosnians as well as the first white martyr in the American civil rights movement who was that Jewish kid from New York killed in Mississippi by rednecks who said he was "corrupting" their negroes. Israel does not represent Jews, we need to differentiate state policy and not use that to generalize people. My mentor since 3rd grade who helped convince me I could be anything if I worked hard enough and continued to be my mentor all these years since 3rd is a Jewish man who lost his parents to the holocaust. I personally am an admirer of the Jewish people I have met in my life.

[Bamaarn]

Faahoow, explain why these Jews don't stick with their fellow Jews:

[Voltage]

Faahoow, explain why these Jews don't stick with their fellow Jews:

I personally support their political view as relating to Palestine but majority of Jews, both mainstream and orthodox, say those Rabbis are the most extreme in Judaism and their championing of Palestine is not because of human rights but because they do not believe God wants an Israeli state so that when day of judgement comes God will destroy all nations and save only the Jews of all society. It is like saying how come Mike Huckabee is not supported by the extreme Christians who protest at dead American soldier's funerals and stuff.

[Bamaarn]

I forgot to add, Jews can be violent:

[udun]

Zionism is not the same as Judaism.

I have also seen poor Jews who are struggling to make ends meet.

I have seen Jews who defend all people of different faiths.

They are just like any body else.

[Voltage]

I forgot to add, Jews can be violent:

The occupation in Palestine is intolerable and judging by the fact From Russia to China to Argentina to Brazil to India to Middle Eastern Countries to African countries to Eastern European countries and more than a 100 nations now recognize a Palestinian state, most of the world would agree. This is a political situation borne about by the worst excesses of Zionism. But remember even when the rest of the world made it's opinion of Apartheid South Africa known, ceeb Cheney was voting to brand Nelson Mandela a terrorist in the 80's. The West for some ridiculous reason is slow on these matters but just as Latin America is the last continent bar Europe to be engulfed in an acceleration of political stance against the Israeli occupation of Palestine, the West particularly the United States will come around even if it is the last major country as it were concerning apartheid South Africa. This doesn't say a lot about Jews as a people because even if America as the pinnacle of Jewish success, you would need to look at Beinart's report about how the Jewish youth are abandoning Israel in favor of Palestinian rights (something AIPAC called the biggest threat to Jewish lobby in America), as well as Jeremy ben-Ami who heads J-Street, and even George Soros who is a Hungarian-Jew by birth and the biggest supporter of Obama's mid-east policy that puts pressure on Israel's current right-wing hawk government that includes extreme parties like Shas.

[Bamaarn]

Zionism is not the same as Judaism.

True. However, the majority of Jews are also Zionists or support Zionism.

[Voltage]

Zionism is not the same as Judaism.

True. However, the majority of Jews are also Zionists or support Zionism.

That is not an intelligent observation and from what I have seen there are multiple interpretations and their supporters concerning the definition and reach of Zionism. Is it wanting a homeland for Jews? Is it wanting an Arab-free Israel pre-1967? Is it a democratic Israeli state with Arabs in pre-1967 borders? Is it an Israeli-Jewish state encompassing even West Bank and Gaza? Is it a supra-Jewish state reach the Euphrates? If you look above I said what is going on is the worst excesses of Zionism but Zionism as a definition meaning homeland for the Jewish people in their original land is not negative in objective analyzation.

[Bamaarn]

The following supports my assertion:

Yeah - I'd say anti-Zionist Jews are pretty much on the fringes. The vast majority of secular and Reform Jews are pro-Israel, as are the majority of orthodox Jews. That being said, there may be a sizeable minority of non-Zionist orthodox Jews, but that's not the same as being "totally against Zionism". What I mean is maybe they don't feel it was time to re-establish Jewish soverignty in the Land of Israel (you must understand: ALL orthodox Jews want to see an Israel under Jewish rule - the only disagreement is regarding how soon), but most of those Jews, now that Israel is a reality, they don't want to see it destroyed.

No, actively anti-Zionist Jews (and I don't know where you're getting "many sects" from - personally I can think of one or two) are a minority within a minority. That is to say that, other than a handful of Jewish communists or other heretics, they're primarily found among orthodox Jewry, who in turn are a minority among the Jewish people (sadly). The only reason you've heard of them is because they get a disproportionate amount of press coverage - so much for the Zionist media conspiracy.

So again, the majority of Jews are Zionists. Of those Jews who aren't Zionist, the majority are what I would call Zionist-neutral. That is, they're not necessarily supportive of the Israeli Government, but they don't want to see it destroyed. The remainder, the anti-Zionist Jews, are out on the fringes of Jewish society. The idea that liberal Jews are Zionists while religious Jews automatically oppose Zionism as a matter of principle is an increasingly common misconception. There are far more "Religious Zionists" than there are anti-Zionist Jews.

Sorry to burst your bubble if you were looking for a friend in Neturei Karta. There's like maybe a dozen of them, and apparently they go spend all their time going around making kissy faces with murderous dictators. And any Jews who openly embrace people who participate in or advocate the killing of other Jews are pretty much outcasts to the rest of us, the same way someone who betrays his country be giving support or comfort to that country's enemy is a traitor. Personally, I'm of the school of thought that holds that traitors ought to be hanged. But in the case of anti-Semitic Jews, I guess kareis ("excommunication") would suffice.

EDIT: Oooh, controversy, I like that. Is it because I said that actively anti-Zionist Jews are a fringe minority (which is true)? Or is it because I said that treason should be punishable by death (my opinion - and not a terribly controversial one, since in most countries that's how they punish treason)?


Mr. X

only 1/10th of 1% of jews don't support zionism, which means they don't support israel. the vast majority of all jews, including most orthodox jews, support israel.

98%

http://www.travelexpertguide.org/forum/ ... 340371.htm

[Voltage]

Mere responses by other singular individuals on a public forum. What an example of intelligent observation. By the way why do you fear my brain? Since I responded everything you have done is to attempt to respond to me without addressing me in light of my accurate depiction of you in other topics. Be that as it may, let the discussion continue.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

When criticizing jews became blasphemy("anti-semitism"). You can say everythin about Allah swt, prophet jesus and muhammad pbut but never say any negative thing about the jewish nation. This is realized due to the socalled holocaust portray in the media(controlled by jews ofcourse), birth of zionism and the jewish lobby operating strongly in the west.
So we should not speak of "american empire" but of "jewish empire". Thats the reality.

Jews were always influencial ppl, but today the world witness their ultimate power.
Arabs are now their slaves ROFL