are we allowed to have concubines?

[Garaad_LQ]

The situation of having concubines is related to several things: First, if the Islamic state exists. Second, if the Islamic state makes offers for other territories to join Islam or enter into treaties with them. Third, if those territories refuse all kinds of peace and amicable offers, or if they announce war. Fourth, during the time of war, both sides capture prisoners that are exchanged mutually, then there's no concubines. Fifth, if the prisoners have no possibility of being exchanged and they are kept under the conquered army, then the following things happen: Either they are killed, as what happened in Siberia, or they are put in prison where they are humiliated to death or the females are used as concubines.

Here it’s to be stressed that Islam has no double standards, and the situation of concubines is not a desirable option in Islam. If it happens, however, Islam solves it in a way akin to Islamic philosophy. That is, Islam deals with the issue on individual basis in the sense that the captives are distributed to Muslim individuals who can take care of them, teach them, and when they feel safe, free them. For this purpose, Islam related the freedom of slaves, with many Kaffarat (expiations) of sins.

Coming to your questions, there are two cases of concubine: one is a slave-girl living with a person as a maid only, in which case she will serve him, but he is not allowed to establish any sexual relationship with her. The other case is, if he decides to keep her as a partner, then he can establish a relationship with her, and then she will be freed as soon as she delivers any baby for him. Also, he will be the only person who has a relationship with her. This solution prevents any kind of prostitution, and at the same time, it finally leads towards the freedom of these concubines.

Currently, the conditions mentioned above do not exist, so no one can have concubines nowadays. That is why I consider the issue of concubines to be only of academic value, meaning that you only know it theoretically, because some of the critics of Islam raise this question to attack Islam.

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[samadoon-waaxid]

The situation of having concubines is related to several things: First, if the Islamic state exists. Second, if the Islamic state makes offers for other territories to join Islam or enter into treaties with them.

Garaad LQ,Muslims are in a treaty with all other non-muslim countries( at least U.N wise), and we have many islamic states(over 50) thus concubines are legit

[Yeezy]

so let me get this straight

having sex outside of marriage is a sin that get you stoned to death if your are a woman

but a married man is allowed to keep other women for the sole purpose of having them as sex toys?


Am I the only one that sees the inconsistency in logic?

dont hijack the topic,its all for a good reason and higher purpose.to convert these females to islam

or more like justification for men to fulfill their sexual fantasies while depriving the same of their women

why not let women do the same

let them keep men as sexual play things for the act of converting them to Islam

I'm pretty sure your more likely to have men of other religions lining up to have sex with muslim women to help convert them to Islam.

[samadoon-waaxid]

or more like justification for men to fulfill their sexual fantasies while depriving the same of their women

why not let women do the same

let them keep men as sexual play things for the act of converting them to Islam

I'm pretty sure your more likely to have men of other religions lining up to have sex with muslim women to help convert them to Islam.

yeezy,i suspect ur remarks are ill intentioned or are taking a jab at islam under the disguise of man bashing.I'm sure if I opened a thread about the virtues of early marriage for females and how it fulfill their sexual needs u would have jumped on the wagon of the opponents and accuse us of sexually exploiting them, and if we didnt, u will accuse us(men) of sexually depriving women.I dont know what to do with yall feminists,u cant have it both ways

[grandpakhalif]

so let me get this straight

having sex outside of marriage is a sin that get you stoned to death if your are a woman

but a married man is allowed to keep other women for the sole purpose of having them as sex toys?


Am I the only one that sees the inconsistency in logic?

dont hijack the topic,its all for a good reason and higher purpose.to convert these females to islam

or more like justification for men to fulfill their sexual fantasies while depriving the same of their women

why not let women do the same

let them keep men as sexual play things for the act of converting them to Islam

I'm pretty sure your more likely to have men of other religions lining up to have sex with muslim women to help convert them to Islam.

Men and women are different. What a wasakh

[samadoon-waaxid]

^^lol,bro.please refrain from insulting her.lets keep this a healthy intellectual debate

[grandpakhalif]

^^lol,bro.please refrain from insulting her.lets keep this a healthy intellectual debate

What she said was disgusting, a kuffar man would have the power of a muslim women in that instance, it would be infact the opposite him converting her to kufr

[HalfDzed]

Samadoon

Don't mock the religious rulings with your jokes.

[fisabililah]

Assalamu caleykum,

This is a pretty comprehensive answer of the issue,

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/10382

Ibn Qudaamah said:

There is no dispute (among the scholars) that it is permissible to take concubines and to have intercourse with one's slave woman, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.”

[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30]

[Garaad_LQ]

The situation of having concubines is related to several things: First, if the Islamic state exists. Second, if the Islamic state makes offers for other territories to join Islam or enter into treaties with them.

Garaad LQ,Muslims are in a treaty with all other non-muslim countries( at least U.N wise), and we have many islamic states(over 50) thus concubines are legit

lool samadoon, sxb it wasn't something Islam invented , it was practiced way before Islam it was the norm of those days , and Islam was trying to end it slowly by making a7kaam and shuurud to limit it , the wars was the main source of salves and concubines but today we don't have that many wars or at least we don't take people as salves

[udun]

Assalamu caleykum,

This is a pretty comprehensive answer of the issue,

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/10382

Ibn Qudaamah said:

There is no dispute (among the scholars) that it is permissible to take concubines and to have intercourse with one's slave woman, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.”

[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30]

The "Slave" woman is married by a Muslim man and her rights are afforded to her just like any other marriage. The intention behind this is we save the conqoured women, treat them humanely, marry them, afford their rights in Islam, teach them Islam, and let them go out of the marriage if that is what they choose when they are comfortable in the Umma. That is my understanding. It is clear that there is no free sex in Islam and you marry the women (up to 4 ).

[Yeezy]

Men and women are different. What a wasakh

I guess when you can't respond with logic or reason, you resort to name calling.

What does having different anatomical sex organs have to do with men being allowed to have sexual play things outside of marriage while women are barred?

If the only justification is that its a way to convert the women to Islam by having sex with them, then I must say the logic of such an argument absolutely escapes my reasoning abilities. I would wager you're more likely to convert men through sexual favors to Islam than women, if this crazy logic is the only rationale for this practice.

[HalfDzed]

Mulk al-yamiin meant "slaves your right hand posses". And the only way a Muslim man could have one of these women was if he went to Jihaad and either captured her (a kaaffir woman who was an open enemy to the Muslims) by his right hand (thus the phrase mulk al-yamiin) or was a woman that was given to him while still in a state of Jihaad. These women were called sarriyah, with emphasis on the word sirr - which means marriage in Arabic. They were more than sex toys and enjoyed similar rights as the Muslim women. That meant he had to provide for her, protect her and acknowledge his children with her and if she ever became a Muslim, their relationship ended and she became forbidden to him because a Muslim woman can not be enslaved or made in to a "concubine". It served a purpose and was actually an old Arab custom.

These circumstances don't exist today and none of us posting on this forum are permitted to practice it, because we are not at the battle lines.

Let's not mock the religion and cause unnecessary arguments.

[abdisamad3]

concubines is female slave's you win when you defeat your gaalo opponents..well I shall have 20 xabashi concubines once we reach addis ababa..ofcourse after checking them for aids.

[samadoon-waaxid]

Samadoon

Don't mock the religious rulings with your jokes.

who said I'm mocking the deen bro,i'm only shedding light on how the proponents of the west have changed our deen from the inside without even us taking notes.I'm shedding light on how bidca indulging indivisuals have infiltrated our deen to make it western standards compatible, and they dared to void the sacred text of allah with a strike of their pen. this practice,concubines, was apolished sometime in the late 18 or 19th centurey under the cover up of a self styled so called religous learned men who were pawns of the british colonizers and arab emires in the arabian peninsula and middle east.
I apologize if I presented the issue in a sensational manner,I had no ill intentions but rather it was out of love for my deen and learning my deen.thus I invite reer Snet (the learned ones) to dissect this issue, and get to its crux.lets not be orchards and stick our heads in the ground or be intellectual cowards.
the prophet says a man that abstains from telling the xaq(truth) is a silent satan. so lets not be a shytan and explore this issue.

p.s: I'm sure there are few islam hating individuals who will jump on this opportunity,I suggest we ignore them. and respond to objective arguments that are disucssing things within islamic parameter.