The western education system is nothing but kufr

[juzme123]

I can understand to a cetain extent where he is coming from with his statement; particularly in the context of the western countries, though my perspective differs:

The education system is a tool of control, conformance and social engeneering and is clearly open to abuse.

Socialisation is the shaping of a persons norms, values, beliefs and behaviours. A person is born as a baby, as somewhat of a 'blank canvas' that society shapes and mould into a person through socialisation. There are two types of socialisation; primary and secondary socialisation. Primary socialisation takes place when a child is very young. It is done by his parents, family and other people who may be around as he grows up. This is where a child is taught wrong from right, where the most basic human instincts and concpets are instilled in this child. As muslim people this is where me make Islam inherent to the thaught and behaviour of our children.

Secondary socialisation takes place after primary socialisation. When a child is old enough for school, he will obviously learn new things from going to school and mixing with non muslim people who have a completeky different set of norms and values. When one factors in things like sex-education, the teaching of evolution theory and other such things that go completely against the teachings of islam, it might be easier to understand the title of this post.

To know that certain people, with certain beliefs and agendas are in charge at schools and create the curriculum raises some concern about what our children are taught in the west.

[grandpakhalif]

I can understand to a cetain extent where he is coming from with his statement; particularly in the context of the western countries, though my perspective differs:

The education system is a tool of control, conformance and social engeneering and is clearly open to abuse.

Socialisation is the shaping of a persons norms, values, beliefs and behaviours. A person is born as a baby, as somewhat of a 'blank canvas' that society shapes and mould into a person through socialisation. There are two types of socialisation; primary and secondary socialisation. Primary socialisation takes place when a child is very young. It is done by his parents, family and other people who may be around as he grows up. This is where a child is taught wrong from right, where the most basic human instincts and concpets are instilled in this child. As muslim people this is where me make Islam inherent to the thaught and behaviour of our children.

Secondary socialisation takes place after primary socialisation. When a child is old enough for school, he will obviously learn new things from going to school and mixing with non muslim people who have a completeky different set of norms and values. When one factors in things like sex-education, the teaching of evolution theory and other such things that go completely against the teachings of islam, it might be easier to understand the title of this post.

To know that certain people, with certain beliefs and agendas are in charge at schools and create the curriculum raises some concern about what our children are taught in the west.

Exactly bro, this secualr education is important to a certain point but then it should be abolished, wallahi our life is occupied by ribba and time wasting. This is ploy used by the kaffirs to promote fawahiish (intermixing) and also it promotes consumerism, they want us to become wealthy and continue the cycle of consumerism. Some of us just want to live a simple life and worship our lord or participate in good deeds, jihad etc. We as muslims need to make hijrah from this stupid kaafir land.

[Hyperactive]

lol granpa, you made some thinking there but just in wrong direction.

just stay in school and your vision will be clear . our education is not better either but even worse and freezes thinking.
it teaches us to be follower to a dictators in the power.

[ToughGong]

GK listen to these series of lectures on this very subject
Long but very interesting on the comparison of western and classical Muslim education

[grandpakhalif]

lol granpa, you made some thinking there but just in wrong direction.

just stay in school and your vision will be clear . our education is not better either but even worse and freezes thinking.
it teaches us to be follower to a dictators in the power.

Arab states are not islamic states, emulating kaafirs is their number one goal

[ToughGong]

The bell is haram in school

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[Hyperactive]

lol granpa, you made some thinking there but just in wrong direction.

just stay in school and your vision will be clear . our education is not better either but even worse and freezes thinking.
it teaches us to be follower to a dictators in the power.

Arab states are not islamic states, emulating kaafirs is their number one goal

exactlly, no islamic education any were, arab education or not.

you can go to badiya and start her, after all all great sheikhs in our history never attend schools and they learned traveling across the world looking for scholars to teach them.

i know my granpa who had his own islamic school in harar then in somalia, he was teaching his student in the mosque then sent them out to egypt, madina or even india.

[grandpakhalif]

says the grave worhsiper, pro zionist,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Brother wallahi I am not a grave worshipper my Lord is Allah SWT, and im not pro zionist I hate the zionists.

[ciyaal_warta]

GP
its time 2 go rest man....u are getting crazier by the second

[Hyperactive]

if you dont have plan to replace it, you're part of the problem.

that's why there many things i dont agree, since ive no practical plan to fix it, you just adding problems.


lol@ciyaal, miskeenka wo isku washay.

[Executive]

seemeyer

Thanks for posting those clips, really interesting

[ToughGong]

seemeyer

Thanks for posting those clips, really interesting

That bell one suprised me

[grandpakhalif]

How am I crazy? For rejecting the ploys of the kuffar? For wanting to follow the sahaba and rasullalah and the Quran? Walle, true believers are strangers....

[Hyperactive]

so you're the only true believer and you think you're not crazy?

[ciyaal_warta]

How am I crazy? For rejecting the ploys of the kuffar? For wanting to follow the sahaba and rasullalah and the Quran? Walle, true believers are strangers....

the sahaba dint reject a progress ..they dint say no to ELMI ( dunya or deen) ...infact the prophet saw encouraged us 2 look for knowledge even if we had to go to china sxb..