Islam and Somalia before and under Siyad barre rule

[Cirwaaq]

When the Amisom troops reach 20,000 all the Sheiks in koonfur will be shot under the pretext of war on shabab. Amisom do not know the difference between Shabab, civilian or Dugsi teacher. When Shabab are defeated there will be a fear of another group taking their place and hence why all Sheiks are likely to suddenly vanish unless they are loyal to the TFG.

Power sharing OR Power Vacuum till Yoomal Qiyaamat.

Dialogue or Failed state are the only options.

[S-D-M]

Sxb you all can come up with all sorts of excuses, but we all know Somalis are Animals and when the ZOO keeper was overthrown by the Animals, the Animals are having never ending party.............Do it like they do it on the discovery channel.

[abdisamad3]

Sxb you all can come up with all sorts of excuses, but we all know Somalis are Animals and when the ZOO keeper was overthrown by the Animals, the Animals are having never ending party.............Do it like they do it on the discovery channel.

not all Somalis where members of usc..you cant just generalise all somalis like that.

[S-D-M]

Sxb you all can come up with all sorts of excuses, but we all know Somalis are Animals and when the ZOO keeper was overthrown by the Animals, the Animals are having never ending party.............Do it like they do it on the discovery channel.

not all Somalis where members of usc..you cant just generalise all somalis like that.

Sxb,

Well USC just passed the torch to a new crew. It is never ending circle.

Let’s just wait for few more months and you will hear new team on the field.

By the way what Qabil were these so called Sheikhs that were killed?

If there were no single Marexan, I would say they deserved it .

[Cirwaaq]

Well if we all know that these nomads only respect a heavy fist why are certain that removal of shabab will bring back order?

Nobody will fear TFG or their Amisom so even if shabab is gone then we are still doomed and returned back to the days of rape, looting and bloodshed.

The thing the same people who want the total dearth of shabab will be the ones crying oh the days of shabab were so much safer compared to this.

Way forward is power sharing between the existing powers... this would assure they keep each other in check. Domination of a single group will be no different then the former Dictatorship without any intention to build the country.

We need the Symbiosis of TFG(warlords) and Shabab with neithor having total power.

[The_Patriot]

This is when Somalia started going down the drain. It was when MSB made Man and Woman Equal in terms of Inheritance etc.

The scholars rejected it but one was outstanding he was never involved in any politics and he made the masjid like his aboard and never engaged in the trivials of life.
Once MSB asked someone about it and was told about it he wasnt happy with what he had done and showed some regret.

Apart from it there was this teenage Marexan that was killed by the firing squad for calling MSB a garac/shegatoo and did not represent Marexanimo.

Apart from that as it is said you will reap what you saw. So Blaming MSB for the misdeeds of Sharif Dameer is not justified.

[Murax]

Somalis are so dumb.


Yes for those learned men to be executed was a heinous crime. Yet what is worse to have millions of Somali Women prostuting all around the world for money, and to have the entire Somali populace living in wadamo gaalo? Diinta waxaa jirio maslaxo iyo mafsado and Somalis do not understand this concept. Yes Diinta Amar bil macruuf wal nahi canil munkar wey qabta but if munkarki is going to be more than nafciga then You leave munkarka as it is. That is diinta waxay qabto and that is what common sense dictates.




Abdisamad,

Jaahil baa tahay, first of all Allah doesn't punish the people according to the mistakes of others. Somalis in general are corrupt so Allah punishes dadka according to what they are. Somalis leaders today (Factioanl leaders under Meles) are a reflection of Somalis today, a people who do not care for anybody outside of their clan. Yes MSB was a dictator, wasn't a person who was Religious but at least He Had some pride and helped protect the xushmad of the Muslims in Somalia. Your Hero Beer Doofaar was leading Ethiopian crusaders into Balanbale/Caabudwaaq to kill Muslims and did the same thing again in Xamar. The Man You're insulting to this day at least is respected in some circles amongst Somalis, and all the Culemo are in agreement He was the lesser evil of what came after. As for Your hero Beer Doofar, He is despised by the entire Somali populace, even by most of His clan.

[abdisamad3]

Sxb you all can come up with all sorts of excuses, but we all know Somalis are Animals and when the ZOO keeper was overthrown by the Animals, the Animals are having never ending party.............Do it like they do it on the discovery channel.

not all Somalis where members of usc..you cant just generalise all somalis like that.

Sxb,

Well USC just passed the torch to a new crew. It is never ending circle.

Let’s just wait for few more months and you will hear new team on the field.

By the way what Qabil were these so called Sheikhs that were killed?

If there were no single Marexan, I would say they deserved it .

[abdisamad3]

btw sdm..wax lamiga gariyasha ku socdaan fuqsada usc uun baa laga arkay sxb..xita guryaha darishadihi beey kala baxeen..bal meey iska dagaan inteey halanayaan.

[abdisamad3]

Somalis are so dumb.


Yes for those learned men to be executed was a heinous crime. Yet what is worse to have millions of Somali Women prostuting all around the world for money, and to have the entire Somali populace living in wadamo gaalo? Diinta waxaa jirio maslaxo iyo mafsado and Somalis do not understand this concept. Yes Diinta Amar bil macruuf wal nahi canil munkar wey qabta but if munkarki is going to be more than nafciga then You leave munkarka as it is. That is diinta waxay qabto and that is what common sense dictates.




Abdisamad,

Jaahil baa tahay, first of all Allah doesn't punish the people according to the mistakes of others. Somalis in general are corrupt so Allah punishes dadka according to what they are. Somalis leaders today (Factioanl leaders under Meles) are a reflection of Somalis today, a people who do not care for anybody outside of their clan. Yes MSB was a dictator, wasn't a person who was Religious but at least He Had some pride and helped protect the xushmad of the Muslims in Somalia. Your Hero Beer Doofaar was leading Ethiopian crusaders into Balanbale/Caabudwaaq to kill Muslims and did the same thing again in Xamar. The Man You're insulting to this day at least is respected in some circles amongst Somalis, and all the Culemo are in agreement He was the lesser evil of what came after. As for Your hero Beer Doofar, He is despised by the entire Somali populace, even by most of His clan.

lol murax you sound angry sxb..I have nothing against awowe siyaad barre's rule..all I was trying to say was it was wrong to kill the islamic scholars even if he disagreed with them..and I do believe Somalia ineey inkaar ku dhacday..only allah can save us. so go and make duca for our nation and people..btw adeer cabdullahi yusuf is not my hero..just becouse he my adeer doesnt mean I agree with his politics and I was against him inviting the xabashi to our country..one of the reason I became anti tfg was becouse of the xabashi invitation to our country.

[ciyaal_warta]

On 23kii January 1975 ten clerics (Ulema) were executed in public by the Dictator Siyad Barre.
These were

1 - Sheekh Axmed Sh. Maxamed
2 - Sheekh Muuse Yuusuf
3 - Sheekh Axmed Iimaan
4 - Cali Xasan Warsame
5 - Xasan Ciise Iley
6 - Maxamed Siyaad Xirsi
7 - Cali Jaamac Xirsi
8 - Aadan Cali Xirsi
9 - Saleebaan Jaamac Maxamed
10- Yaasiin Cilmi Cawil

The Prophet (SAW) was asked "What is the best Jihad" The Prophet (SAW) replied, "A word of truth spoken in front of an oppressive ruler." (Sunan Al-Nasa'i #4209)

i know Sheekh ahmed imaan kids..he is from our area ma grandma told he refused to stay down whn the pple told him dont do it..he went to villa somali which is not dar far from ma ends and he stood infront of th gate and said" if you dont repent u are in a grave danger mr: siyaad "..they captured and killed him

Executive and Abdisamad
i blve the somali problem started from killing the Ulama..may Allah forgive us