The issue of the Niqab.

[Niya]

What I don't get is the whole issue (bordering on obsession almost) regarding women's garb. (I posted an comment earlier and don't know what happened to it) In any case, this is a general comment.

I also heard that niqab was used in Iran....... by sun worshippers though.

I would like to see more discussion/focus on living an ethical life rather than how an individual chooses to dress.

Substance over symbolism always.

[union]

The cloth of Zoroastrian fire worshipers.

[abdisamad3]

But isn't the well being of society paramount? Niqab is not beneficial to society and at times is harmless as I have used couple times both with the suicide bombers as well as the guys wearing it to meet their girls that Al Shabaab themselves captured. In that sense shouldn't it be banned?

When you are in front of me wearing something that is not necessarily required and even may not even be Sunnah, but also has harm in it should it not be banned? I don't know if you are a man or woman, have a weapon, I don't know what you are under it.

well bro this is your opinion and not facts..now how many suicide bombers can you prove that have been wearing niqab that bombed anywhere near you or where you live?
and why should it bother you what some one else use to wear or not...here where we live everything is free from gay and lesbians to strip bars and disco's..and your here worrying about some women who choose to cover them self's up.

[VybzKartel]

Most Somali chicks wear it to avoid the sun so they can get fairer skin. Anyway why are men arguing about what women should wear and should not wear. Fuckin faggots.

[gemini_snake]

this "issue" is a non-issue. if a woman wants to wear a niqaab,she will wear one regardless of whether you think it is a part of the religion or not. in the sex-crazed world that we live in, some sisters try to stay away from all of that by being modest and wearing niqab so clearly wearing the niqab is beneficial to them. also your claim of niqabi wearing male suicide bombers has never happened in the west so what are you on about?


as for those people who point to the unislamic origins of the niqab, that is a weak argument and you know it. what next, muslim women should not wear gloves because gloves are a kafir invention?

[ibrahimcw]

whether islamic or not niqab benefits alot of people so i say it would be unjust to them if it was to be banned, on the other hand you could reduce the need for niqab by introducing gender segregation in schools, transport etc

i got to say its a hard world for muslim women, and we should protect our women not jeopardise their security/integrity because of some paranoid coward.

[gemini_snake]

whether islamic or not niqab benefits alot of people so i say it would be unjust to them if it was to be banned, on the other hand you could reduce the need for niqab by introducing gender segregation in schools, transport etc

i got to say its a hard world for muslim women, and we should protect our women not jeopardise their security/integrity because of some paranoid coward.

agreed.

[Hyperactive]

let us put our opinions aside and present different views of scholars and their evidences.
i dont have any translated books but did little research about surat nissa tafseer for handful of scholars. thought my favored one is albani's book alradal mufham but i only have it in arabic, it answers all the question and has strong argument.

what scholars disagreed is the meaning of khimar/khumerihuna/jaib etc in surat nisa , ayah 31.

"And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their adornment except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms jaib), and not to display their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful"

so the disagreement is what the word : "except what apparent" means? their arguments is word kimaar is as a linguistic means cover head or cover face?

imam tabari,Arazi, Qurtubi,Albani: say : the exemption refers to the face and the hands.

"Imam Qurtubi and Imam ibn Kathir are agreed that the women of jahiliya(in imitation of the Christian women, according to Imam Qurtubi) used to wear the khimar to cover their hair, but they threw its ends in their backs. this way of wearing the khimar exposed the forehead, ears, neck, and upper chest.
so, Allah ordered them to draw their khimars to cover themselves. It is easy to see how pulling the ends forward again and pulling the khimar tightly around the circle of the face then fastening it at the throat, letting the ends fall downwards, would cover the forehead, ears, neck, and upper chest, as Imam Qurtubi and Imam ibn Kathir have specified."

so they say the khimar was not for pulled on the face but on the upper side of the chest.

about the hadeeth aisha, that's another problematic issue about the linguistic of the some technical meaning of the words about classic arabic!!!

this issue is one of the issue you would never get right or wrong opinion.

after i read all the arguments of the scholars in this issue , my opinion is as mustabahab rather farth or wajib.

just remember in aakhira Allah wont ask you who you followed but your attentions as individual. if you did serious recearch and ask Allah to guide you the right path. honest mistake is not what i worry.

[SultanOrder]

What is so confusing, I just think people are dividing themselves into two camps, an unnecessary dichotomization of views that has to do with their own personal feelings, and world views.
Look at it this way.

-The full Niqab is so widespread in the muslim world, and for such a long time in Islamic history that it has become ESTABILISHED, so you can't deny it.
- At the same time it is not Mandated or Fard on our women.

[zulaika]

men discussing womens affairs...

carry on gentlemen

[LobsterUnit]

Niqab is in the Sunnah. Maybe you should read more sources rather than corrupt Egyptian Scholars?

[qoraxeey]

Most Somali chicks wear it to avoid the sun so they can get fairer skin. Anyway why are men arguing about what women should wear and should not wear. Fuckin faggots.

[abdisamad3]

men discussing womens affairs...

carry on gentlemen

voltage dragged me into to it by claiming suicide bombers wear niqab..normaly I dont discus about women affairs.

[kambuli]

The lie about Hotel Shamo.. Wallaahay I hated some members of the TFG for that matter..How could they lie about that The person responsible for that horrific action is free..who knows maybe planning for another one Sick people in this world..

[qoraxeey]

The lie about Hotel Shamo.. Wallaahay I hated some members of the TFG for that matter..How could they lie about that The person responsible for that horrific action is free..who knows maybe planning for another one Sick people in this world..

abaayo .. some somalis are sick liars ... especially those in the so called goverment