South Somalia, the last piece to the puzzle.

[ibrahimcw]

For sometime now I’ve been observing Somali politics particularly that of Somaliland and Puntland.
What struck me most apart from the rise of Al shabaab in the Somali peninsula is how oblivious Koonfurians are about the ambitions and objectives of their brethren in the north namely S/land and P/land. That is why I dare to advise Koonfurian nationalists, who in my humble opinion do tend always to say a ’spade is a spade’ hence overlooking the political reality that they face .
I will not go into details as not to bored you stiff about the Somali history and clan politics but I will use an analogy to illustrate the message I intend to convey through this thread I.e. what a koonfurian Must know about somaliland and puntland.
These two entities one being an overt separatists seeking unconditional independece and makes every effort to gain recognition. Where as the other a camouflaged unitarist enjoying completely autonomy within federal Somalia. Both operate and administer their regions in similar fashion i.e. with clan interests at its core.
In order to demonstrate the fact that S/land and P/land positions in regards to Somalia/Somalinimo are one and the same and for you to understand what I mean, here is the story.
''I once met two Russians in a subway in the city where I do live. Each of them has got a bottle of drink. One was drinking vodka in its original vodka bottle; the other one using the water bottle . Both of them were drinking from their own bottle, respectively. I just observed them and could see that the one using the water bottle is more drunk than the other one using vodka bottle. I was surprised and asked them: how can this be?
How can it be that the one using water bottle was drunk? Then they laughed at me and told me that both were drinking vodka, but the name of the bottles each of them were using differs.''
This is the difference between the in your face somalilanders and the cunning puntlanders. Both drinking the unholly waters but with differing lables
The difference is Only the labeling my friends.

Can koonfurians realise that Somaliland politicians use only vodka bottle and always say a ’spade is a spade’ (talk about Somaliland objectives and rights directly and indirect promoting clan interests), whereas the politicians of Puntland use water bottle (use the name ‘Somalia’ to promote the interests of their respective Clans indirectly).

They do play the same game of “CLAN-ism” (promote Mj/Harti and Isaaq dominance, respectively). In conclusion what koonfurians must know is that the two entities in the north are not dissimilar in terms of their ambition and political objectives. The sooner this is realised the quicker it will be to change the situation in southern Somalia.

i totally agree with you, indeed fact is stranger than fiction.

[Murax]

Runti Somalia is the South, and inparticular Mogadishu. If one party can get Mogadishu, hold it, establish themselves there they will over the course of time take over the whole Country.

[kadarre]

Runti Somalia is the South, and inparticular Mogadishu. If one party can get Mogadishu, hold it, establish themselves there they will over the course of time take over the whole Country.

Its focking amazing how the ICU got destroyed by Ethiopia and USA. Al shabab is the west own creation. I guess we will have to put up with dem.

[Murax]

Runti Somalia is the South, and inparticular Mogadishu. If one party can get Mogadishu, hold it, establish themselves there they will over the course of time take over the whole Country.

Its focking amazing how the ICU got destroyed by Ethiopia and USA. Al shabab is the west own creation. I guess we will have to put up with dem.

To be honest the ICU would have taken over all of Somalia if given time.

[quark]

whats up with this new shit konfuria vs the northerners

[Cirwaaq]

whats up with this new shit konfuria vs the northerners

Let us assume the population in somalia is 12million.

Pland - 2.5mill
Sland - 3.5mill

Koonfur - 6.0million

Where is the political epicentre?

Where is the economic epicentre?

In order to compete with a stable Koonfuria there needs to be a union of Pland and Sland. If Sland maintains it's independence stance then Pland is going to feel like a small fish in a gigantic pond.

It is therefore of critical importance for Pland to continue to stall all efforts for peace until SLand is dragged back into the Union even by military force.

Peace = tug of war between Sland, Pland, Tfg and Shabab

Union of 3/4 ofthese players is required for Total peace... Solution = mission imposible?

any of the 3 united = peace