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cutting off limbs aren’t found in the Qu’ran,

seemeyer wrote:

cutting off limbs aren’t found in the Qu’ran,

Which Wuran is that then Caashay

The_Emperior5 wrote:

Stonnings and cutting off limbs aren’t found in the Qu’ran

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Surah maida

[5:38] The thief, male or female, you shall cut their hands as a punishment for their crime, and to serve as an example from GOD. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

وَالسَّارِقُ وَالسَّارِقَةُ فَاقْطَعُواْ أَيْدِيَهُمَا جَزَاء بِمَا كَسَبَا نَكَالاً مِّنَ اللّهِ وَاللّهُ عَزِيزٌ حَكِيمٌ

here is the meaning of "قطع":

v. cut, cut away, cut down, cut out, divide, exchange, intersect, ax, cross, cut up, split, stop, interrupt, cut off, tear, sever, cut across, halt, terminate, slit, prevent from, chop off, hinder from, lop, forbid, fell, traverse, hew, amputate

n. cutoff, severance, chopping off, felling, amputation, scission, dividing, segmentation, cessation, discontinuance, suspension, crossing

The above verses are commonly translated to mean physical cutting off the thief's hand or hands, however whilst this understanding is a theoretical possibility, when all the information is reviewed it is only one of several possibilities, hence the above translation. Firstly, it should be noted that the verse makes clear whoever commits theft but repents after and makes amends, then this is acceptable to God, thus no punishment can be administered in this case. This of course would only apply to those who do this before they have to be tried and found guilty. To prove this, see the verse below in which being punished is contrasted to relenting:

There are some who await God's decree whether He will punish them or relent on them. God is All Knower, All Wise. [9:106]

And how repenting and making amends shows a true repentance, thus reinforces the notion that a true/sincere repentance is accepted:

And whoever repents and takes corrective action, certainly he turns toward God with true repentance. [25:71]

The Arabic word translated as "cut" in 5:38 is "iqtaa" and occurs 14 other times in the same verb form (QaTaA) in The Quran, and with the exception of 59:5 and possibly 69:46 all other occurrences mean the non-physical or metaphorical action of "cutting off relationship" or "ending" [2:27, 3:127, 6:45, 7:72, 8:7, 9:121, 13:25, 15:66, 22:15, 27:32, 29:29, 56:33].

Secondly, the Arabic word for "hands" (aydi) is often used in The Quran in a metaphorical/metonymical manner [some examples are 2:195, 2:237, 3:3, 3:73, 5:64, 6:93, 8:70, 9:29, 23:88, 28:47, 30:36, 38:45, 48:10, 48:24, 111:1], and often has a meaning of power/means. It should also be noted that this word is in the Arabic plural meaning 3 or more hands, whilst only two people are referenced: the male and the female thief. Some have commented that this plural usage causes problems for the common interpretation of hand cutting.

kadarre wrote:Union, I swear you are like a Zionist.

Shirib wrote:I don't know what people are trying to change, cutting off hands is from the Quran and is clearly understood

As for the repentance thing, the first thing a criminal says when you catch them is I am sorry.

And union I remember you saying that a vigilante group killed a robber in Kenya after they got him, and I think you said something along the lines of it was fitting for the worst of people. I find it odd, that you would justify that and say this is barbaric.

There is a hadith that the nabi saw said he would cut off Fatima's hand if she had stolen something.

union wrote:

Shirib wrote:I don't know what people are trying to change, cutting off hands is from the Quran and is clearly understood

As for the repentance thing, the first thing a criminal says when you catch them is I am sorry.

And union I remember you saying that a vigilante group killed a robber in Kenya after they got him, and I think you said something along the lines of it was fitting for the worst of people. I find it odd, that you would justify that and say this is barbaric.

There is a hadith that the nabi saw said he would cut off Fatima's hand if she had stolen something.

The Qu’ran is up for interputation, and as the quotations I provide show the argument for a non-draconian punishment is very strong. Considering there’s only one ayah in the entire Qu’ran mentioning that punishment and it uses languages that can be interrupted several different ways. I doubt the Prophet Muhammad would have approved of a vigilante boys chopping of the limbs of people and parading the pictures online. That’s gory , sadistic, and just distasteful.

union wrote:^

How's it clear when many previous mentions of "cutting" and "hand", as used in that ayah supposedly justifying limb amputation, have been metaphorical?

No i t's not up for interpretation the Quran is a clear book with guidance an all, there are no riddles, our scholars have agreed that thief hand must be cut off unless he was forced to steal under special circumstances, such as poverty.

grandpakhalif wrote:

union wrote:^

How's it clear when many previous mentions of "cutting" and "hand", as used in that ayah supposedly justifying limb amputation, have been metaphorical?

can you give us some examples of so called 'metaphorical' ayats

The Arabic word translated as "cut" in 5:38 is "iqtaa" and occurs 14 other times in the same verb form (QaTaA) in The Quran, and with the exception of 59:5 and possibly 69:46 all other occurrences mean the non-physical or metaphorical action of "cutting off relationship" or "ending" [2:27, 3:127, 6:45, 7:72, 8:7, 9:121, 13:25, 15:66, 22:15, 27:32, 29:29, 56:33].

Secondly, the Arabic word for "hands" (aydi) is often used in The Quran in a metaphorical/metonymical manner [some examples are 2:195, 2:237, 3:3, 3:73, 5:64, 6:93, 8:70, 9:29, 23:88, 28:47, 30:36, 38:45, 48:10, 48:24, 111:1], and often has a meaning of power/means.

grandpakhalif wrote:

union wrote:^

How's it clear when many previous mentions of "cutting" and "hand", as used in that ayah supposedly justifying limb amputation, have been metaphorical?

can you give us some examples of so called 'metaphorical' ayats