Dutch trying to ban Halal meat.

[Basra-]

Voltage: union you are an uncle Tom.


Union: How am i an uncle Tom? I am white by birth.


Vo: You Mad Mac?

union: No, Napolean.

Vo:

[Voltage]

You can have different political positions, but when they are at the expense of everything you and your family represent then it goes from diverging political individualism to being an Uncle Tom.

[ToughGong]

A majority of MPs is now opposed to Jewish and Muslim ways of killing animals

No way that's gonna happen

[union]

Voltage-

In this thread, you are the one arguing that the white man "human rights court" will swing in and save the Muslims from persecution. Several times you have also posted about how you have never faced discrimination in the United States, another example of uncle tomness because that is in effect saying "ma'sa is good to me". You believe in a watered down version of Islam which you look towards liberal white professors to validate for you, such as the Jewish women you posted a while back explaining the qu'ran. If I am an Uncle Tom sxb, maxaa igu dhaanta?

[Voltage]

Good question and I never knew you write Somali. It is true I have said I have never faced discrimination in the US and the reality is living here in the PNW, I have never faced overt racial or any kind of discrimination. I have never said it doesn't exist, but I have not faced it. Also, it is true I have posted that professor talking about Islam but it was not so much as validation but the sheer amazement of such carefully understood Islamic doctrine that I rarely find even from Muslim Sheikhs. None of that has to do with "ma'sa" and I do not know how you juxtaposed a link but rather shows both my faith in the law and of the ability of people to coexist harmoniously. When I see you take the side of those opposing ground zero Mosque or apathetically appease the desecration of minority rights in a supposedly Western, Democratic nation I have to call you out on your Uncle Tom nature. We live in these societies and we couldn't live normally without protecting our own rights, which is something you misunderstand to be happy about "ma'sa" and your misinterpretation of the anti-Uncle Tom being someone who hates the West or white people in it. You don't need to hate or dislike Whites or Western society to stop being labeled an Uncle Tom. Rather you need to understand an Uncle Tom is one who supports the power dynamics that does not allow the individual and his group to live as they can within the parameters of the rule of law which includes base principle rights accorded to minorities that cannot be touched by the majority. You are not an uncle tom because you are Frederick Douglas who hoped a white president or white Congress will help the slaves, you are an Uncle Tom by fighting for the Confederates and in support of your enslavement. Understand the difference.

[Basra-]

Voltage---great speech.




PS Say, Helloo to your cousin and my friend--Rural08.

[ToughGong]

An Uncle Tom is one who supports the power dynamics that does not allow the individual and his group to live as they can within the parameters of the rule of law

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Sounds like union to me

[union]

When I see you take the side of those opposing ground zero Mosque or apathetically appease the desecration of minority rights in a supposedly Western, Democratic nation I have to call you out on your Uncle Tom nature

I never opposed the ground Zero mosque. I also have never supported the “desecration of minority rights” as you claim. If you are referring to my “their country their rules” post earlier in this thread, then I assure you that wasn’t a post out of support, but rather a realistic view. You have too much faith in the European legal system, which as of late has proven susceptible to the influence of the largely bigoted and xenophobic native populations. France has had a long term hijab ban that is yet to be overturned, Swiss voters just passed a referendum banning the minaret, and now the right wing Dutch government that has the mandate of the people is maneuvering to ban hallal meat. The precedent has been that the courts turn the other eye when it comes to Islamohphobia as of late, and so when I see a government that is acting with the mandate of its people and a court that is supportive, I can only say that its their sovereign nation. And since i am from a country in which people of different beliefs systems are either shunned or beheaded, I don't think I have the luxury of lecturing other nation's on human rights surrounding the free exercise of religion, regardless of how noble an idea it is.

You don't need to hate or dislike Whites or Western society to stop being labeled an Uncle Tom. Rather you need to understand an Uncle Tom is one who supports the power dynamics that does not allow the individual and his group to live as they can within the parameters of the rule of law which includes base principle rights accorded to minorities that cannot be touched by the majority. You are not an uncle tom because you are Frederick Douglas who hoped a white president or white Congress will help the slaves, you are an Uncle Tom by fighting for the Confederates and in support of your enslavement. Understand the difference.

“Uncle Tom” is a racial epithet describing a black person who acts against blacks for the pleasure of whites. I don’t think you can argue that I am anti black, or anti Somali. Some may consider being secular and supporting a strong separation between religion and politics to be “Anti Muslim”, but I would disagree with that label as well.

I admire Western and Eastern societies for reaching a certain level of development that is yet to be reached by my own people, but don’t misrepresent that as hating on Somali people. In fact, I think between the two of us it is you who often points the condescending finger at other Somalis and refers to see them as “jahils” or other terms designed to damage their self esteem. Act to remedy your own insecurities before commenting about those of others, sxb.

[Kukri]

What we have here is the pot and the kettle...

[Executive]

I haven't had a chance to read the article but growing up in Sweden I remember that halal slaughter wasn't allowed over there. That was never a problem as the meat used to get imported from neighbouring countries, we still had our halal butchers and fast food places.

[RovingMadness]

People need to understand that we live in the era of polarization and that as divisions and conflicts increase, society will become divisive and pursue paths that are intolerant and undemocratic. Unless, the Muslim world works on reforming it's society and educating its masses, it will continue to be hated and treated like barbarians. This is why extremism and jannah politics are hugely irritating because they miss the point.

[Talo alle udaa]

Their country their rules.

I second that.

The only thing a halal ban would do, is convince the average muslim joe to stop eating non-islamically slaughtered meat.
Many sleeping sheeps will awake, including the "uncle toms" amongst us

[juzme123]

There has been pressure on muslims in NL for a while now. This can just be added on to the list. At least on this occasion they have the wealthy and influencial jews on their side. Even if this ban goes through, the international jewish lobby will soon step in and it will be history.

lol @ whoever said that the Dutch are tolerant. Their tolerance goes as far as whites, jews and various types of druges

[Ashwaaq90]

With the amount of immigrants from Muslim majority countries they allow into Netherlands, they gonna ban halal meat? Doubt it.


Story is probably fake, The Dutch are incredibly tolerant

The Dutch used to be tolerant, but not anymore. Rightwing parties are getting extremely popular, in particular the extreme rightwing (anti-islam) party of Geert Wilders. But we'll see if they will go through with the halal meat ban. Jewish groups already sent letters opposing the ban, the muslims here are too passive and too busy fighting among each other over money.

[abdalla11]

How are they trying to ban Halal meat? There's a motion by a party that pleads for animal rights, it's ironically called The Party for the Animals and they have one seat in the Dutch Parliament. they want to introduce a law that obliges the usage of anaesthetic before slaughtering the animal, they don't want the animal to 'suffer'. I don't have a problem if they give the animal a not lethal injection, like a local anaesthetic as long as they don't electrocute it.

It looks like they won't get the majority though. These people are very business minded, if they introduce this bill, they will lose lots of clients because muslims will start importing meat instead of buying cattle from the local farmers. The Xalaal meat industry is a multi billion one