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melo wrote:MONOBOLY KULAHA.... . bal af ingriiska is dhaaf. waad is ceebeyneysaa

You understand what i mean monopoly!

monopoly ists when a specific individual(family)(clan) or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product

waryaa Mr hypocrite who enjoys living in freedom in the west countres and yet support SUICIDE BOMBERS from and beyond stone age the khawaarijitis called al shabaabul shayaadiin .

CALIPHATES was a family monopoly goverment system. and alxamdulilaah its outdated.

^ so abu bakr, cumar, cuthman and cali did not govern in a caliphate? What do you call it then?

^ He doesn't wanna refer to the Sunnah. Fah clearly said the scholars would depose of him using the deen. In Islam a Caliph can be impeached and removed from office. Instead of quouting sunnah, he is giving what he says are historic accounts (which I can't confirm at the moment) as if it has any legal standing in Islam. There is no such thing as family monopoly of the Caliphate or a dhaxaltuyo system.

melo wrote:^ so abu bakr, cumar, cuthman and cali did not govern in a caliphate? What do you call it then?

do you want abu bakar, cumar and uthmaan to become from the grave? thats not macquul soo maaha!

dhinaca kale abubakar and omar and abuukar and cali. together they were leaders of muslims less then 30 years. 3 of them Omar, uthmaan and Cali were murdared. and even cali rc did not even become absolute ruler of islamic state because MUCAAWIYA was fighting agianst CALII. and mucaawiya TAKE controll SHAAAM which was one of biggest provinces. ISLAM was fighting eachother!!

but 90% of so called CALIPHATE WAS inheritance Family goverment . FROM MUCAAAWIYA UMAYADIIIN TO OTHOMAN TURKS. ITS about 1000 years.

SO whats good about to return dhaxaltooooyo goverment and SLAVERY BEEN SOLD IN THE MARKET, AND CALIPH HAVING 200 hareeems(slave women)

Executive wrote:^ . In Islam a Caliph can be impeached and removed from office. Instead of quouting sunnah, he is giving what he says are historic accounts (which I can't confirm at the moment) as if it has any legal standing in Islam. There is no such thing as family monopoly of the Caliphate or a dhaxaltuyo system.

There were no Singel khaliiif which was impeeched or been removed from the power, not even a Singel one. FROM qabiil owned UMAYADIIN CALIPHATE to ABAYAASIYIIIN TO latest caliphate of OTHOMONS. no singel one.
A CALIPH inorder to keep the power he will go so far as Kllling grandchildren of rasuul scw, a child young as 1 years old. caliph yaziiid did that.

There is no such thing as family monopoly of the Caliphate or a dhaxaltuyo system

your a dreamer!! except first 4 raashiduuun which lasted less then 30 years. from MUCAAAWIYA UMAYAD QABIIL TO othomomns a 1000 years of goverment caliphates different goverment all of them were DHAXALTOOYO 100%

DR-YALAXOOW


Again, not a single point you are making has a religious basis or defines a Caliphate.

Executive wrote:^ He doesn't wanna refer to the Sunnah. Fah clearly said the scholars would depose of him using the deen. In Islam a Caliph can be impeached and removed from office. Instead of quouting sunnah, he is giving what he says are historic accounts (which I can't confirm at the moment) as if it has any legal standing in Islam. There is no such thing as family monopoly of the Caliphate or a dhaxaltuyo system.

The Ummaids, the fatimaids and the ottomans were family based and heridetry

RovingMadness wrote:

Executive wrote:^ He doesn't wanna refer to the Sunnah. Fah clearly said the scholars would depose of him using the deen. In Islam a Caliph can be impeached and removed from office. Instead of quouting sunnah, he is giving what he says are historic accounts (which I can't confirm at the moment) as if it has any legal standing in Islam. There is no such thing as family monopoly of the Caliphate or a dhaxaltuyo system.

The Ummaids, the fatimaids and the ottomans were family based and heridetry

And your point is? Is that a religious requirement? or does it go against the concept of Caliphate?

^^^

The point is that minus the first 4 righly guided caliphs, the rest of the caliphates were hereditary and family-business. This effectively destroys the arguments of "restoring" the caliphates. They were morally bankrupt and cruel systems whereby the wishes of one family were imposed on people from wide ranging cultures and traditions.

RovingMadness wrote:
The point is that minus the first 4 righly guided caliphs, the rest of the caliphates were hereditary and family-business. This effectively destroys the arguments of "restoring" the caliphates. They were morally bankrupt and cruel systems whereby the wishes of one family were imposed on people from wide ranging cultures and traditions.

How so? Your argument doesn't make sense whatsoever. You need to define Caliphate and "restoring the caliphate".

Executive wrote:

RovingMadness wrote:
The point is that minus the first 4 righly guided caliphs, the rest of the caliphates were hereditary and family-business. This effectively destroys the arguments of "restoring" the caliphates. They were morally bankrupt and cruel systems whereby the wishes of one family were imposed on people from wide ranging cultures and traditions.

How so? Your argument doesn't make sense whatsoever. You need to define Caliphate and "restoring the caliphate".

My lil bro, you have a hard time reading then. The enduring image of the caliphate is one of corruption, deceit, tyranny and oppression. We have no intention of restoring that cruel system.

Hope I made myself clear this time

They were morally bankrupt and cruel systems

As opposed to the liberal, secular, progressive gaalo system?

The fact that the Caliphates enforced Islamic Law makes them infinitely better than any State in the world at the moment. Morally bankrupt and corrupt kulaha.. it is during these times that the entire basis of Fiqh and axkaam came to be. These "morally corrupt and bankrupt" leaders allowed Islamic law to be developed and scientific exploration to flourish. Even Cadaan people accept this later fact. This is as opposed to Shariif Axmed, the governor of bakaaro market (for certain periods of the day) and full time prostitute of AMISOM, and Siyaad barre, the faasiq man who brought atheism to Somalia

AL-Yaziid ibn mucaawiya is 10x better than any Islamic leader in the world at the moment. And Yaziid was a faasiq himself, so that should tell you about our state.

Might i remind you buffoon, that if it weren't for these "morally corrupt people" Islaam would have not settled permanently into Somalia. You would then be worshipping the sun and the moon

May Allah SWT Bless

The Umayyads
The abbasids
The Ottomans

And may God shame the supporters of Nifaaq and kufrnimo. Aamiin

Calling for the restoration of a Caliphate is an indication of intellectual stagnation, we look back at history so that we can learn from it, both good and bad, but you cannot just go back in time. There is no point getting bogged down by vague terms like the definition of a Caliphate because people are looking for sytems that offer practical solutions.

Leila25 wrote:Calling for the restoration of a Caliphate is an indication of intellectual stagnation, we look back at history so that we can learn from it, both good and bad, but you cannot just go back in time. There is no point getting bogged down by vague terms like the definition of a Caliphate because people are looking for sytems that offer practical solutions.

Ar-rasulullah sallahu calayhi wassalam predicted that both Imaam mahdi and Nabi ciise would establish a caliphate. It will happen, with or without your support.

Melodramatic,

Hooyada indhaha ka wass, arab ass kissing Fag-ka tahay wass

RovingMadness wrote:Melodramatic,

Hooyada indhaha ka wass, arab ass kissing Fag-ka tahay wass