Abu Mansur prays for Aideed and says the war was jihad

[Goljano Lion]

It depends on which phase you are talking about when he was evicting the marxist-lennist kaafir regime and their benefactors from mogadisho, if its first phase then he was on the xaq but when he started massacring innocent daroods he became a murderer.

so I agree with sheikh abu mansuur on the first phase.

well said bro

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

It depends on which phase you are talking about when he was evicting the marxist-lennist kaafir regime and their benefactors from mogadisho, if its first phase then he was on the xaq but when he started massacring innocent daroods he became a murderer.

so I agree with sheikh abu mansuur on the first phase.

So you are saying fighting the apostate dictatorship of siyad barre was xaqq but not the war against american infidels?


explain to us why abu mansur said allaha u naxariisto to aideed, and not to siyad barre. Also why did he say alqeada and taliban loves him. Doesnt this mean they regarded him to be mujahid????!?

I dont want the khawaarij to love him, unfortunetely this is the case.

[melo]

I've always looked at maxamed faarax caydiid as one of the least terrible warlords in Somalia and for 2 reasons


1- He evicted the communist atheists out of power
2- He did not stand for ANY IMPERIALISM, whether it be amxaaro or america.

But Caydiid did a lot of terrible things. He along with Siyaad barre and Cali Mahdi will be known as the men who demolished xamar. Caydiid is the man, under whose forces murdered innocent darood for no fault of their own. Caydiid's useless inner hawiye wars lead to thousands of deaths. His lust for power led to the starvation of the Somalis. Caydiid knew no compromise for the greater good. For this, Caydiid overall is not someone i would praise, rather he is someone i would condemn as a man whose lust for power got the best of him. But with every Muslim, you have to say AUN. AUN does not mean you like a person. It just means he is a muslim. We say AUN to Idi amin, Abdullahi yusuf when he dies, Caydiid, saddam etc. All of them it is known that they died upon Islam and this is their right upon the living. Same case with Usama ibn laden.

Siyaad is another matter, seeing as how Siyaad during his communist days was not Muslim, so im not sure if he repented from this or not. But inshallah he did.

[melo]

It depends on which phase you are talking about when he was evicting the marxist-lennist kaafir regime and their benefactors from mogadisho, if its first phase then he was on the xaq but when he started massacring innocent daroods he became a murderer.

so I agree with sheikh abu mansuur on the first phase.

So you are saying fighting the apostate dictatorship of siyad barre was xaqq but not the war against american infidels?


explain to us why abu mansur said allaha u naxariisto to aideed, and not to siyad barre. Also why did he say alqeada and taliban loves him. Doesnt this mean they regarded him to be mujahid????!?

I dont want the khawaarij to love him, unfortunetely this is the case.

The difference between Caydiid and Siyaad barre is very simpley. M faarax caydiid was a muslim, while Siyaad barre's Islam is questionable. He certainly was not a muslim in the 70s and 80s. M faarax caydiid demolished communism, and opened up the masaajids in xamar again, free of communist interference.

You do not say AUN to non Muslims. I think Abu mansuur does not believe siyaad was a Muslim.

Caydiid not fight Islam like Barre. Barre's tactics were pure kufrinmo. Caydiid resisted imperialism of all kinds.

[melo]

Correct me if i´m wrong but isn´t jihad suppose to be done for the sake of Allah, to elevate the Laws of Allah?

Defense of your land is PURE JIHAAD. In fact, that invasion and the amxaaro invasion of Somalia were the 2 most clearest Jihaads in recent times.

[union]

Melo what qualifications do you have to be commenting on Islamic jurisprudence issues? To make this clear to everyone, do you have any formal study or are you just stating your own personal opinions...such as your claim that Aideed was the "best warlord" (if there is such a thing) according to Islam? Please clarify.

[GacanSareeye]

Melo, you do have a point, i dont know if i can streach it to the level you have. that is why i am very hesitant to support anything siyaad, his religious conviction were so comprised, especially after that brutal sheikh slaying that he undertook (and the deliberate attempt to write off verses of the quran). It would be perfect if someone could someday write a book about his religious roots, and how he balanced his religious standards and the communist agenda, what islamic values stayed with him, and what did islam mean to him to clear those that doubt him. siyaad could be understood in that everything he did was political, to extend his reign by any means necessary. but ceydiid on the other hand my friend does not deserve a line in a paper because there are two things i will never understand in this world; an unflushed toilet in a public place and Ceydiid

[melo]

Melo what qualifications do you have to be commenting on Islamic jurisprudence issues? To make this clear to everyone, do you have any formal study or are you just stating your own personal opinions...such as your claim that Aideed was the "best warlord" (if there is such a thing) according to Islam? Please clarify.

There is a big difference between jurisprudence issues and a conviction re a personality in history. I do not make my own fatawas based on religious tenets, rulings, and practices. I simply relay what the scholars of Islam say. As for my judgement of Caydiid, my opinion of him is based on my own personal convictions on what i've learned from Islam from the sheikhs i study under, and what i've read personally both islamically and historically (Caydiid's bio). No i don't have any formal qualifications per say. I learn under several sheikhs, but would not consider myself even "taalib-cilm". Almost of all of what i say to you on religious opnions are scholarly opinions. They are not mine. I don't shove my own personal opinions down people throats, deeming to be the ONLY CORRECT ISLAMIC OPINION.


So my judgement that Caydiid was better than a lot of his compatriots is not a religious ruling. It is a judgement of an individual, based on what i've grasped from my sheikhs techings on religion and my own readings of history.

As for my ideas on secularism, shariica etc, then yes, these opinions are matters of aqeedah and jurispudence. I simply relay what the imaams of the Muslims have to say. They are absolute. No ignoramous can come on the internet and suggest that these ideas are wrong, based on their own understanding of religious texts. But if you want to disagree with me on Caydiid, based on your own personal convictions and understanding of Islam as taught to you, then BE MY GUEST. I don't care really. But don't equate my stance on Caydiid with Secularism. One is clearly established. The other is merely an opinion, amongst others. An opinion should not however contradict clear religious texts and Ijmaac. Cabdi wahab for instance defends Caydiid's murders of non combatants, and call him the "Mahdi", although this action by consensus is Xaraam.

Plus, amongst the somali sheikhs, the criticism of Caydiid is muted in comparison to other walords- like CY. This says a lot to me. And don't begin with Hawiye nonense.. most of these guys are from clans who caydiid abused.

[melo]

3 reasons why i believe Caydiid was one of the "better" warlords in Somalia (They are all evil overall)


1- Caydiid overthrew the Leninist, atheist leaning, Dictator, known as Siyaad Barre. Siyaad Barre declared war on Allah and his messenger, and while Caydiid's motives were not based on this, the reality of the matter is that he overthrew the dictator. That to me is commendable, by any stretch. Siyaad was becoming a lunatic, and had to be removed.

It is for these reasons too, that i will always respect and honour SNM and USC MUjhaadiin in their operation to liberate Somalia from the cancer known as Siyaad barre. Ilaahay ha u naxariisto all those who died in the Jihaad.

2- Caydiid re-opened up the masaajids in full capacity in xamar . In Barre's times, the Culemaa had to meet in houses when discussing "controversial" issues such as the spread of Islam, lest Siyaad's forces get to him. I know this, because my own Dad was only a few days away from being arrested by your Leninist father, due to being Hawiye and Islamic in Xamar. Under Caydiid, this fear was removed. Sheikhs weren't being lynched for merely speaking the word of Allah SWT. Caydiid demolished communism for ever, and the entire Somali nation now chants "NEVER AGAIN". Caydiid= The Communist killer. This to me is Caydiid's greatest legacy.

2- Caydiid was anti-imperialist. Unlike the dameers such as Cabdullahi Yusuf, Cabdi cawale, Ahlus-sufi wal jameca etc, Caydiid was not interested in being used as a condom by the Amxaar and Mareykan. He was man of his own convictions.


No compatriot and adversary of his, and those who followed him, in the warlord circle have these many positive attributes. Name one, I DARE YA. Here are the list of some the infamous men

Cali Mahdi
Cismaan Caato
Cabdi cawale qeybdiid
Cabdullahi Yusuf
Xirsi Morgan
Cumar jess
Barre Hiraale
Ina yalaxoow
Qanyare
Maxamed dheere
Xuseyn Caydiid


Rather, not only do these guys have nothing positive to stand on at all, but their crimes during the civil war are RIGHT THERE with Caydiid. This in particular with Cali mahdid, morgan and Cabdi Cawale qeybdiid. These guys have little to no positive traits to them whatsoever. Maybe Caato, seeing as how when ICU took over xamar, he didn't betray the country like his compatriots. But thats the only good thing that man has ever done.

This is why I say amongst the circle of Warlords, M faarax Caydiid was the best.

Having said that, i already narrated to you why M faarax Caydiid was also focked up.

[melo]

Caydiid was a man who let his Absolutist idealism ruin him. His lust for power contributed to the demolition of Somalia. For this, M faarax Caydiid, as i said, will not be remembered as a hero. But if we are going to be intellectually honest, then we have to conclude that Caydiid had traits that fellow warlords no nothing about. Caydiid would never ever ever back an amxaar invasion of Somalia. EVER. He was too much of a patriot and a nationalist to allow this to happen. He would also not hiding in Villa Somalia, like Shariif. He was also not a munaafiq, unlike the fake Sheikhs like indha cadde and Shariif, who one day held the banner of Islam, and next the banner of democracy. In this respect, Caydiid was like Cabdullahi Yusuf- He told you what he stood for, and fought for it completely.

[AbdiWahab252]

Melo,

The Hawiye Mahdi was misunderstood by his Hawiye people who turned on him just like the Benu Israel against Nabi Musa (SCW) even after being delivered from bondage. Today, the Hawiye are in a story state as a result of rejecting the Mahdi's message. I even heard one of Caydiid's biggest critics regretting his sins against the Mahdi and seeing the wisdom of the Janan.

Alas it is too late and today Hawiye are focked and powerless. The Mahdi wanted to create a kingdom for them yet the ungrateful bums rejected his message. Rejecting to being masters of their own destiny to simply being serfs for others.

FYI, The Mahdi was a merciful man. He did not murder any Jebertis and let them be. He was quite merciful towards the Jebertis as a result Utanga was able to be created. His only error was not being very forceful against the ungrateful Hawiyes. He should have karbashed the Abgaal and Ali Nafto into complete submission. In addition, choked the Saleban, tamed the Murasade, reislamized the Xawadle. He was awfully soft on the Hawiye.

I remember how Sheik Maxamed Farax Jimcaale advised Jananka to walk away from defending Xamar after the Hawiye supported Ali Nafto and he was unable to stop the Jeberti aggression. If the Mahdi had heeded Sheik Maxamed Farax Jimcaale's advise and left Xamar to be seized by the Jebertis and resulting in numerous Hawiye deaths, the Hawiye would have hung Ali nafto from a tree and begged the Mahdi to lead them once again from bondage.

Then again, you are the same man who supports the Jeberti loving traitor Tahir Aweys who was opposed to Beesha's struggles against the twin evils of Jebertism & Ikhwanism.

Jananka was a decent man whose only fault was being kind, and principled.

[melo]

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Melo,

The Hawiye Mahdi was misunderstood by his Hawiye people who turned on him just like the Benu Israel against Nabi Musa (SCW) even after being delivered from bondage. Today, the Hawiye are in a story state as a result of rejecting the Mahdi's message. I even heard one of Caydiid's biggest critics regretting his sins against the Mahdi and seeing the wisdom of the Janan.

While i do agree with the fact that Hawiye acted very treacherously against M Fararax Caydiid, can you explain to me why Caydiid continued to fight, killing thousands in the process, even though it was clear a coup had taken place? This is what i mean, Caydiid's lust for power got the better of him. It isn't like Caydiid was an absolute behameth that no one could handle. If this was the case, he would have taken over Xamar in a few days. But he didn't. He couldn't even defeat the MJ. So the fight was absolutely useless. The inner Hawiye wars were embarrassing. I blame all parties, not just Caydiid.

So again, adeer, do you think Caydiid's fighting was justified after Cali mahdi and his crew swindled leadership?

Alas it is too late and today Hawiye are focked and powerless. The Mahdi wanted to create a kingdom for them yet the ungrateful bums rejected his message. Rejecting to being masters of their own destiny to simply being serfs for others.

FYI, The Mahdi was a merciful man. He did not murder any Jebertis and let them be. He was quite merciful towards the Jebertis as a result Utanga was able to be created. His only error was not being very forceful against the ungrateful Hawiyes. He should have karbashed the Abgaal and Ali Nafto into complete submission. In addition, choked the Saleban, tamed the Murasade, reislamized the Xawadle. He was awfully soft on the Hawiye.

I don't think M faarax Caydiid intentionally killed non combatants himself. I think these henious crimes are left to your idol, Qeybdiid, who killed people because they Darood. But intention doesn't mean shid. There is a thing called collateral damage. There is a thing called unintentional murder. Caydid was guilty of both. His useless wars with the Hawiye and others led to the demolition of Xamar, leading to the maming and starvation of thousands.

Caydiid was correct in fighting Siyaad loyalists, and perhaps the MJ up to galkacyo, but by no chance can you defend his inner hawiye wars to me. These wars were NONSENSICAL.

As for your suggestion that he was too soft on the Hawiye.. War take your Hitler mindset elswhere. Caydiid's soft attitude was too much. Imagine if he was tougher

Then again, you are the same man who supports the Jeberti loving traitor Tahir Aweys who was opposed to Beesha's struggles against the twin evils of Jebertism & Ikhwanism.

Jananka was a decent man whose only fault was being kind, and principled.

Well I don't take your opinions seriously on Islaam. So no offence.

As for Caydiid being a "decent" man. You must have a very liberal understanding of liberal. How can a man, who is partially responsible for the death of thousands of Somalis, and the displacement of thousands, be a decent man? Are you crazy or something?

There is not a single "decent" Somali warlord. The best major Somalia warlord, which to me is M faarax Caydiid, do not come close to the decent men of the Somali Ummah. Don't abuse the word decent please.

[melo]

Cabdiwahab: Your sound like my uncle. Safe to say, that i dislike talking to him on matters related to Caydiid. He flat out denies that Caydiid killed innocent people. If HG cannot honestly state that Caydiid commited crimes against the nation, then how do you expect the nation to proceed? Everyone will hold onto their criminals, and enmity will always exist

[abgaalKING]

I Personally Think Aydiid was Some how a Good Man ,A principled war Hero who Wanted freedom for his People,His intentions were good.Get rid of the Fascist Regime and Let the Majority Rule the Country,His war against Siyaad can be justified as a rightful struggle against an illegitimate regime which turned its guns on its own people.having said that,His inter hawiyite wars were unnecessary and regrettable.The Marxum Should have waited until the term of president ALi Mahdi finished and should have nominated himself as a president after that,in that sceneriou he would have won a landslide victory and died as a Somali Hero who abolished the Siyaad regime and a monument would have been erected.Laakin,what followed his unsuccessful attempt to mess with Abgaal-people known for their Past sultanates and kingdoms- Made him a ruthless criminal.

[FBISOMALIA]

who kill somali ppl no matter who is he his name is warlord end of the story