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I'm Shafi'i, but I would like to learn the other three Madhabs in the near future as well, Insha Allah.

Executive, there is more to it than just saying a sahih hadith is against this particular ruiling. You also have to be certain that the Imam or the mujtahid of his madhab weren't aware of that particular hadith, or they didn't have a hadith just as strong that went against it.

Anyway what most people argue about his theoretical, because most of don't ever get to the point where we look for a particular ruiling and disagree with it, or simply don't like it, and fish around for one that is just as strong or better to suit our needs.

I think this stuff should be truly left to the students of knowledge and scholars in that field. I've never seen us talk about American or European constitutional law, and arguing about which one at a certain level is more true to the Democratic Ideals that they each claim to have. This is just an analogy of how I see it.

Perfect_Order


I think you missed the point here, I am not stating anything that hasn't been said by all the Imaams. We shouldn't follow anything blindly and stay thats all I will stick to it. We all know that at the time of the Imaams all the hadiths were not compiled or easily accessible.

Executive wrote:Perfect_Order


I think you missed the point here, I am not stating anything that hasn't been said by all the Imaams. We shouldn't follow anything blindly and stay thats all I will stick to it. We all know that at the time of the Imaams all the hadiths were not compiled or easily accessible.

You might have a case, if the Madhabs were left exactly the same way as at the time of the Imams. Which would be incorrect, there are countless Mujtahids that have come after the imams who have thrown away some of the rulings of the Imams while using their methodology. And there has been a lot of interaction and mixing of the madhabs than is generally known.

So yes there might be extremists, who have a very narrow view of the madhabs and follow it as if it is the words of the Rasul himself, who see other madhabs as wrong, but the majority of the people are just ignorant. They just go to a shaykh who they deem knowledgeable and ask him for a fatwa.

I follow Shafici

^ no you don't.

Enlightened~Sista wrote:^ no you don't.

Haha, yes I do. Why do u say I don't?

Allah swt called us muslims, not sunnis, suufi, shias, ibadis etc. And certaintly not shaafi, hanbali,maliki and hanafi.

So this(calling yourself shafi sunni, maliki sunni) is itself bidcah, and every bidcah is in fire.


Just Muslim

For many years I was of the opinion of not following a particular madhab until I came to the conclusion that 99% of the Muslims were making taqlid no matter what they claimed.. Especially here in the west you see people who don't even understand basic Arabic or memorized jus camma say taqlid of the four madhab is not allowed. in reality those people are doing the worst type of taqlid, they make taqlid of people they shouldn't make taqlid they make taqlid of Shayk Google.

Even if you look at 99% of scholars that came after the first three generations followed madhab. If Nawawi, ibn kathir, dahabi, inn hajr, etc followed a madhab how about someone living today? And no, no new hadiths were found. lol... Local salafi shayks just make taqlid of shayk Albani.

general masses are confused with general statements like "quran and hadith" or "follow the salaf" those statements are correct but is not that simple. for example you will find scholars using the same hadiths differ on the same issue. Salat Jumah being one of those cases. How many people need to attend for Jumah to be correct?.. the prophet pbuh didn't mention a specific number. There are more than forty opinions from the salaf. What do you in that case..

The general Muslims should follow the madhab of their land.. What some of the somali shayks are doing is wrong. their forcing somalis to drop the great madhab of imam shafi for the blind following of people living today. Somali are weak walahi no backbone. I travelled to Saudi all I found was hanbali fiqh. you can't become a mufti there if you don't teach hanbili fiqh because they don't want you to confuse the their people with all the differences. you go to north Africa you will find the madhab of imam malik. Egypt shafi Pakistan hanfi fiqh. Somalis are the only people throwing away their madhab like is a disease.

typed this on my phone I apologize for all the mistakes. Melo covered everything else I wanted to say.

Perfect_Order wrote:Melo

Melo, some of the top notch Shafi'i Scholars live in South Africa who aren't sufi oriented, and who speak english very well. They run schools where they teach the basics in english, while teaching you arabic, and after the first two years, everything after that is in arabic.

Also, it's a falacy to say if I don't find a non sufi Shafi, I'll go to a hanbali one, because sufism isn't based on any one madhab. Sufism does not go into matters of legal jurisprudence, but things that pertain to the inner self. Sufi's go from being all kinds. From Ibn taymiya to his shaykh, Shaykh abdulkadir al Jaylani both being Hanbali, as well as Imam Gazalli who was taught the hanbali even though he became a mujtahid later on.

Another thing I'd like to point out is that all subsequent Madhabs after Maliki, where off shoots or most of their usul and fiqh was based on the Mawatta of Imam Malik.

Jzk for that.

I meant to say non authentic suufis today. Most of, if not all the suufis today are counterfeit sufis. They are usually engrossed in a lot of bidcah, and are involved in matters are trodding alongst the shirki line. This sufism is what i wanna stay away from.

The hanbali sheikhs in hijaaz do not go near these things, and so they're a safe option.

Its not a question of what opinion is strongest, I am referring to opinions that go against Sahiih hadiths.

It isn't as simple as that as has been said. Look at the discussion on whether someone who abandons the salaat is a kaafir, or if camel meat breaks wudhu. Look how the culemaa of the diin understand the proofs differently. There are also some sahiix hadiths that were never acted upon because they were known to be abrogated, yet they are still saxiix. You won't know this by simply referring to a xadiith you find in bukhari or Muslim

Its a deep science man. If maaliki, shaafici, imaam nucmaan, and axmad ibn hanban could differ over the hadiths, and could not agree, then you know its not that simple.


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e general Muslims should follow the madhab of their land.. What some of the somali shayks are doing is wrong. their forcing somalis to drop the great madhab of imam shafi for the blind following of people living today. Somali are weak walahi no backbone. I travelled to Saudi all I found was hanbali fiqh. you can't become a mufti there if you don't teach hanbili fiqh because they don't want you to confuse the their people with all the differences. you go to north Africa you will find the madhab of imam malik. Egypt shafi Pakistan hanfi fiqh. Somalis are the only people throwing away their madhab like is a disease.

typed this on my phone I apologize for all the mistakes. Melo covered everything else I wanted to say.

This was a very good point. The Somalis are taking the ahl-xadith way of studying fiqh. Like you said, in Saudi, they teach in the madrassahs the hanbali usuul. In Somalia, they teach no shaafici usuul as far as i know. You might learn axkaam from a shaafici book (even this is rare), but then the sheikh will tell you why this is weak in his opinion. This is fine for the laymen, but not a student of knowledge. There is a traditional way of studying Islam, and it has been developed to a good level.

Allah swt called us muslims, not sunnis, suufi, shias, ibadis etc. And certaintly not shaafi, hanbali,maliki and hanafi.

So this(calling yourself shafi sunni, maliki sunni) is itself bidcah, and every bidcah is in fire.


Just Muslim

There is no contradiction between Islam and being a shaafici, or a hanafi or a maalik or a hanbali. Keep your bidcah talk to someone that cares

Plese read sheikh Cuthaymiin's piece on taqlid and following a madhab. It summarizes everything alxamdulillah. The quran and sunnah slogan in reality is just jargon; all the madaahibs are following the quran and sunnah.

Shirib wrote:I follow Shafici

How do you do this sxb? There arent many shaafici somali sheikhs around. Have you studied the madhab?

Perfect_Order wrote:

Executive wrote:Perfect_Order


I think you missed the point here, I am not stating anything that hasn't been said by all the Imaams. We shouldn't follow anything blindly and stay thats all I will stick to it. We all know that at the time of the Imaams all the hadiths were not compiled or easily accessible.

You might have a case, if the Madhabs were left exactly the same way as at the time of the Imams. Which would be incorrect, there are countless Mujtahids that have come after the imams who have thrown away some of the rulings of the Imams while using their methodology. And there has been a lot of interaction and mixing of the madhabs than is generally known.

So yes there might be extremists, who have a very narrow view of the madhabs and follow it as if it is the words of the Rasul himself, who see other madhabs as wrong, but the majority of the people are just ignorant. They just go to a shaykh who they deem knowledgeable and ask him for a fatwa.[/quote]




As i said, inshhallah i plan to study shaafici fiqh, as from what i know, this is the closest to what i practice in my daily life anyway. But the hanbali madhab is not drastically different to the shaafici school as they are both strictly rely upon hadith.

The laa madhabi influence produced people who suggest that 20 rakats is a bidcah. I used to hear some somali sheikh saying that 20 rakats for taraawiix was a bidcah. What was hilarious though is that in Makkah, they pray 20 rakats . Then i realized that this type of philosophy is not the way forward.

I follow the school of union.

union wrote:I follow the school of union.

The school of union has no real principles. It is simply a reactionary school

Yeah I never understood the 8 rakats for tarawiix and it was only "sufi masjids" who did the twenty, though I think every other one except the somali salfi ones did 20. but it wasn't a big deal to me since it was just sunnah prayers.