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Richfarax wrote:

Murax wrote:You take help wherever and however You can get it. However only hardworking people will take advantage of the opportunity anyway. Sure You can go to school free or get a job because You're a minority but if You don't pass all Your classes at school or perform at Your job it will be useless. Excessive reliance on handouts and free passes leads to laziness and lack of initiative.

So it has good points and bad so why not get rid of it when so many abuse it. Is it really benefitting more than the problems that are occuring from it?

Because some people benefit from it, I don't think the losers should ruin it for lower income household immigrants who wanna get a chance in life. Case in point My Aunt completed Medical School on scholarships that were given to minorities primarily. About Welfare, a lot of our Somali Women are single mothers who simply cannot raise families on their income. In America we all get taxed like crazy, I don't think anybody minds if that money goes to people who need it

Asians and even women have gained far more from affirmative action than blacks as a whole, let alone Somalis who make-up a tiny percentage of the recipient pool. Affirmative action was put in place as a sort of social retribution to many segments of society that were denied educational & employment opportunities for decades before the 70s. It has never lived up to what it was designed for, so its ludicrous to see such an outcry over it, specially from a Somali. Whatever gives you that extra needed edge to stand out among the crowd is all good in my book. I personally benefited from it and anyone who doesn't is a fool, because this world is about advancement at whatever cost.

HalfBaked,


There have been so many times Where when it asks for race I put BLACK, and I know in some cases it helped big time

Murax - I'd be lying if I said otherwise. With how rigged things are in this country, you need every little stepping stool you can find. Asians understand this and milk it. White women too. We're just beginning to understand it now ourselves. Southeast Asians take it even further through scams and cheats. A lot of times, their credentials are bogus, they have papers fabricated for them from back home and get in to programs that you could never dream of getting in to. They even found a way to pass the MCAT. Some of my classmates can't even formulate proper English sentences, but are there everyday, first ones in the lab, first ones queeing up to lick the professor's balls, first ones in the library and last to leave. Its about getting in at all cost and maintaining. All those stories about Asians being super intelligent? Its bullshit. They just found a way to manipulate the system to their advantage and play the white man.

Warya get over it. This is the second topic you made about this. Somalidu waxay tidhaahda "nin maseeray naag ka daran" aka "dawo ma leh hinaasuhu"

4 say NO
3 say Yes

As I assumed

[quote="Richfarax"]But should one be treated better by being more likely to get a job by being more minority than another?
Should someone be treated better just for their age, gender, coulour, race, creed, religion, poor immigrant, disadvantaged, poor economic background?[/quote]

No. In an ideal world, everyone should be treated equally AND fairly regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. But we don't live in an ideal world, we live in deep iniquitious world where some DO get preferential treatment for being different. For example, in the US, Whites get preferential treatment simply for being White - the so-called White Privilege.

NoAngst wrote:

Richfarax wrote:But should one be treated better by being more likely to get a job by being more minority than another?
Should someone be treated better just for their age, gender, coulour, race, creed, religion, poor immigrant, disadvantaged, poor economic background?

No. In an ideal world, everyone should be treated equally AND fairly regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. But we don't live in an ideal world, we live in deep iniquitious world where some DO get preferential treatment for being different. For example, in the US, Whites get preferential treatment simply for being White - the so-called White Privilege.

No. No. No. My good man it’s quite the exact opposite sir. Racial quotas and affirmative action are a hindrance to the host nation which for the most part is white males.
So it is even worse for them not better.

[quote="Richfarax"][quote="NoAngst"][quote="Richfarax"]But should one be treated better by being more likely to get a job by being more minority than another?
Should someone be treated better just for their age, gender, coulour, race, creed, religion, poor immigrant, disadvantaged, poor economic background?[/quote]

No. In an ideal world, everyone should be treated equally AND fairly regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. But we don't live in an ideal world, we live in deep iniquitious world where some DO get preferential treatment for being different. For example, in the US, Whites get preferential treatment simply for being White - the so-called White Privilege.[/quote]

No. No. No. My good man it’s quite the exact opposite sir. Racial quotas and affirmative action are a hindrance to the host nation which for the most part is white males.
So it is even worse for them not better.[/quote]

White males already get preferential treatment. If you don't believe me, send a resume with names like Jamal or Aiyisha (stereotypical black names) and see how many call backs you get.

Say for instance, a person entered the UK today. That person has no relatives in the UK, and he doesn't speak English. Would you expect that person to get a job by tomorrow to make a living and sustain himself in all aspects of life? On the other hand, say we have a UK born person that has been in the UK for all his life. He went school there knows the language, and has got families scattered through the country. Now you were an employer who happened to have ONE job available, and let's just say the job needed no special requirements. Anyone trained properly can perform the job easily. If the two people came to you looking for the job, whom would u give it to? Keep in mind that the UK born person has families to fall back on or friends, but the newly arrive immigrant has got no one.

If that was true I would have used white names to begin with but the subject matter is about racial quotas and how they are unfair. Why should a minority should be treated better than another just for something they are born with. Ridiculous

[quote="Kufsade"]Say for instance, a person entered the UK today. That person has no relatives in the UK, and he doesn't speak English. Would you expect that person to get a job by tomorrow to make a living and sustain himself in all aspects of life? On the other hand, say we have a UK born person that has been in the UK for all his life. He went school there knows the language, and has got families scattered through the country. Now you were an employer who happened to have ONE job available, and let's just say the job needed no special requirements. Anyone trained properly can perform the job easily. If the two people came to you looking for the job, whom would u give it to? Keep in mind that the UK born person has families to fall back on or friends, but the newly arrive immigrant has got no one. [/quote]

Your hypothetical scenario ignores a key reality - unlevel playing field. Let me give a more apposite analogy. Lets say you have 2 groups of runners running a 5 lap race. Group 1 is given 2 or 3 lap headstart while group 2 is starting in the first lap. Also consider the fact that Group 1 is running on a smooth track while Group 2 is running on a track that is littered with obsticles and holes. The headstart is the historical equivalent of slavery and segregation... if you ancestors were not enslaved and did not face the burdern of segregation, then you have built-in advantage over those who were discriminated against. This analogy can be extended to immigrants and locals. Locals have a headstart that they didn't earn - they have it simply because they're local. Similarly, the obsticles that Group 2 face is the equivalent of modern racism/discrimination. Not only do you have to close the histrical disadvantage gap but you also have to overcome modern disadvantages.

Refrain from racism and discrimination for a minute. What I was getting was that YES you do have to treat others so long as the situations they are in calls for it. But to say 'treat everyone equally' would be like saying let rich and poor pay the same amount of taxes although it's rather a ludicrous move.

Why are you obsess with this affirmative thing, it isn't even that popular anymore, and it hardly determines your success, if you are educated successful person, you don't need affirmative action, you sound like you aren't confident with your skills and yourself. why are you competing jobs with black or Somali womens? do you work at department stores, nursing or service industry?

there are dozens of jobs that carter to males, from constructions to police/military to engineering and mechanics etc.

and who told you that muslim women are given preferences? they are being fired from their jobs or school because of their Hijab dress.

so word of advice, don't waste too much time on these affirmative action thing, whatever God destined for you, nobody can refuse it.
so don't bet your future on affirmative action. and stop competing with women, you are a man, get your education and get a job or start your own business, if you can't find it where you are move to other areas. affirmative action is for the lazy or low skilled ppl.

@Noangst, Kufsade

Gentlemen. Gentlemen. Gentlemen. You can make all the hypothetical scenarios you want but at the end of the day it’s all wrong. Tell me who is to judge who deserves a job outside of reasons of merit and skill.
If this carries on you will all miss out on higher roles and promotions.

Why make fake situations I fell to this thrash personally. Yes me.
Affirmative action, screwed me out of a huge promotion its a flawed system that must be ripped from its core.