Union and Shariah

[union]

Some people read the quran as a book of war, others a book of peace. Which group will rule with the shariah?

[Armstrong]

BV,last time I checked u were concurring with Union that the Quran shouldn't be translated literally in another thread.so what happened? did you just get his unwavering commitment to all things anti sharia or u had a change of heart?

Like I said brother, sheydaan is locked up allahu akbar.

[samadoon-waaxid]

He/She is just one of too many extremist haters of anything about Islam on the net, nothing new.

But the sad thing is, no matter how hard they try (whatever their motive is) they are never accepted & belonged to any group.

(مُّذَبْذَبِينَ بَيْنَ ذلِكَ لاَ إِلَى هَـؤُلاءِ وَلاَ إِلَى هَـؤُلاءِ وَمَن يُضْلِلِ اللَّهُ فَلَن تَجِدَ لَهُ سَبِيلاً )

I think this ayah is more befitting to him

So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do

[Twist]

Some people read the quran as a book of war, others a book of peace. Why group will rule with the shariah?

[union]

The actions depicted above were not justified by religion though. When Al Shabab cuts off hands and stones people, they believe they are doing God's work. That's what makes them inherently more dangerous than petty criminals.

[samadoon-waaxid]

BV,last time I checked u were concurring with Union that the Quran shouldn't be translated literally in another thread.so what happened? did you just get his unwavering commitment to all things anti sharia or u had a change of heart?

Like I said brother, sheydaan is locked up allahu akbar.

apparently the lil ones are not sxb

[Twist]

Aren't you full of crap? What difference does it make to a dead person whatever the hell their tormentor believed? Believed in God or believed in oil?

Plus, no matter how hard the US tried to deny that its wars aren't religiously motivated but it was busted and anyone with a basic Google search can see for themselves the weaponry factories and names printed on the ammunition etc and all the religious personalities that blessed these 2 wars as crusades.

[FAH1223]

Blackvelvet, shariah law is very controversial as its exact requirements are not agreed upon by all Muslims, as most of the laws are derived from interpretations of religious texts by scholars several centuries later. Groups like the Shabab and the Taliban use certain fundamentalist interpretations of shariah law and they feel as if they are doing God’s work, while other Muslims view them as making as abusing it. I personally feel that people who want to implement shariah law in all spheres of life, from the arts to banking will lead society backward. Those who push shariah have a visceral mindset and should not be allowed near political power. A state that operates based on religious principles which it proclaims to be fixed in stone is a state that will be unprepared to govern in our changing, evolving modern society.

You're thinking of this through the nation-state lense and the experience of Europe.

No one is against Sharia law. The problem is, these groups that advocate it and for a khalifate have no idea what they're doing. They're westernized too. They have no vision and believe the centralized state enforces Sharia but it wasn't the case throughout history.

When Muslims had khalifates, you had a separation of power of the ruler and the scholars. Kind of like our three branches here in the US, most of these khalifas had two.

The problem with Muslims today? You have the Sharia put into people at high levels in a deeply centralized state. The corruption is rife, there are no separation of powers.

If you look at Shabab, they have these ciyaal running around using "Sharia" when they obviously do not know the rules.

How do we have all these people in the Muslim world being stoned for adultery when in the times of the caliphates after Prophet Muhammad died (pbuh), there were perhaps 6 cases of stoning in a 500-600 period and the one during the Prophet's time was because the woman begged for a punishment after committing the act. Esp in Somalia, I really doubt the whole four witness thing was used in those cases we heard about

There's nothing wrong with Sharia. Its our divine guidance for legislation but you need trusted jurists and a competent governing structure that will actually enforce the law in good faith.

Muslims don't respect each other and rush to fight now a days. But when there's a famine, those who want to fight run away never to be seen.

[Alchemist]

This is not about personal opinion, Allahs words are clear.

[Armstrong]

Some people have hope but some have gone well beyond point of recovery. Most somali disbelievers like Ayan Hirsi can't even come out of the closet and admit they are godless. I call that cadaab aduunyo.

[BlackVelvet]

Secular law can be abused too, but the tyrant never invokes the name of God to justify his actions.

And that is why secular law is better than Shariah? Because one side use religion as an excuse and the others make up a different excuse? Somehow it seems that that has little do with anything when either way the law is being abused.

My opinion is that Shariah has been turned into a code word for terror. The first thing that comes to mind for the average person is mutilated limbs and throwing rocks at a defenceless person. When people have been conditioned to think this way about anything it is normally a wise decision to take a step back and look at the idea without the preconceived prejudices. What is undeniable is that society, its morality and its secular law are a result of its selfish needs and not a true reflection of wrong and right.

[BlackVelvet]

BV,last time I checked u were concurring with Union that the Quran shouldn't be translated literally in another thread.so what happened? did you just get his unwavering commitment to all things anti sharia or u had a change of heart?

Like I said brother, sheydaan is locked up allahu akbar.

apparently the lil ones are not sxb

I like to see the whole spectrum and all the colours. Black and white are for the naive and narrow minded.

[samadoon-waaxid]

BV,my question still stands.why do you feel Quran shouldnt be translated literally? and if so should we translate quranic teachings figuratively like sonnet?

You have become a very controversial figure.

These people surely must be overreacting

You believe:

1. In secular governance
2. That homosexual activity is a sin but it doesn't make one a kaafir
3. I am guessing not fond of SLand and PLand


Am I missing something?

4. The Quran should not be interpreted literally.
5. Radical religion should be fought with harsh measures.
6. Somalis should return to their Sufi Islam heritage and reject wahabism and the deviant sects of the gulf.

If that is all I don't see why you should be marginalised or banned. The first two are pretty much common sense, the last one is personal opinion shared by other people on SNet.

How peculiar.

[Shirib]

Some people read the quran as a book of war, others a book of peace. Which group will rule with the shariah?

There's not a problem with that verdict at all.

The only problem is that the correct due process wasn't taken and that is due to the nature of Somalia which is one of 20 years of war.

But if you want to bring Al Shabaab as a source of sharia, why don't we bring the warlords as a source of secular law

[grandpakhalif]

This is what secularist education does too weak minded individuals, they abandon shariah and want to intereprate the quran in a 'figurative manner' like the Jews and the Christians.


Lacnatullah calayk