Former PM Professor Galaydh on SSC & Somaliland.

[Babygirl-]

Get your facts right you are saying another man said he was been considered for the post! the point is would he have accepted it! NOOOOOOOOOO!! so who the fuck cares about what a Somalilander said about what another Somalilander wrote about what somalilanders were considering?!!

[Salah Al-Din]

BabyGirl,

Don't be emotional. The conferences in question were a number of things. They are all documented. They were not only peace conferences, they were conferences based on nation building. To discuss what form of government Somaliland is to have, and who will become VP/Prime Minister is not about only peace. It is about building a nation called Somaliland. You yourself also know that the Garaad's of Eastern Sool & Southern Sool were there. To put blinkers on 20 years later to say there was no signing of declaration of Somaliland's Sovereignty, when there are signatures that contradict that assertion is pure childish. You can't hide the facts. Eastern & Southern Sool, Eastern Sanaag and Southern Buuhodle district were part and parcel of the formation of Somaliland Ali Khalif included. If some people know have changed their heart, like Ali Khalif, is their prerogative; however, to make a bold face lie and say there was never anything singed or declared or discuss with respect to Somaliland's sovereignty is sheer and utter falsehood.

If you don't believe me, read the sources. There is very little to argue here.

[Babygirl-]

Pls show us were Dhulbahante Garaads & our top Officials signed! you say its documented show us.

PS SAY SANAAG SOOL & CAYN you are a minority in Sool don't try to sneak shit in! kulaaha southern Sool.

[Salah Al-Din]

BabyGirl,

I don't have their signatures. I do know; however, that they are in the archives of Somaliland Government. The fact the Garaad's of Eastern & Southern Sool + Southern Buuhodle signed is not in question. In fact on numerous occasions the media that is anti-Somaliland from these regions say the Garaad's signed under duress. Now even if we were to use this logic " the elders and officials from these constituents" went only for peace in Buroa in 1991. Then Somaliland's sovereignty was declared. They did not agree to it, but they stayed for peace. Fine, they go back to their communities. Why on earth would you go to the conference in 1993 which was to form a transition from SNM rule to civilian rule for Somaliland? Why would they participate in a conference whose agenda is to cement Somaliland's sovereignty by giving it a national charter? Why would you debate in which kind of government it will be? Will it be an executive President? Will there be a prime minister? etc etc. It makes no sense. Even a two year old can see that these communities were part and parcel of the creation of Somaliland. If some elements do not wish to associate themselves now with Somaliland's sovereignty that is their choice. What is not acceptable is for the likes of Ali Khalif to tell tall tales. It is like that famous saying by Clinton " I smoked pot but I didn't inhale". LOL What a joke!

P.S. Here is Garad Abdi Qani Allah Yarhama explaining why he signed. It is very convenient that in 2002 he says he was not for it but he accepted anyway. LOL Yet he goes back and participates in 1993 and has his man Xaabsade become the chairman of the Parliament. It is very convenient indeed to abdicate responsibility.

"n early 1991, when Siyad Barre was overthrown in Mogadishu by the USC, the SNM took control over much of north-western Somalia. The decision to secede was taken at a conference (Somali sing.: shir) in the town of Burco in May 1991. Representatives of all clans inhabiting north-western Somalia were present, among them Dhulbahante and Warsangeeli.4 At the shir in Burco the SNM leadership – mostly former army officers, politicians and intellectuals – was not clearly in favour of secession.5 However, the rank and file of the movement, remembering the bombardments in 1988, was. The situation was volatile since everybody around the conference had arms, and the SNM was without doubt the most powerful party. One of the high ranking traditional leaders of the Dhulbahante, the late Garaad Cabdiqani, recounted the situation as follows:

W saw that it was impossible to reach an agreement with the people of the southern regions. We decided to establish an administration for the northern region. […] While we were in Burco, big demonstrations happened in the large towns of Hargeysa, Burco and Berbera. There was no other choice than to say: ‘Yes, we accept.’ At this moment we were not convinced about secession, but no one could say ‘no’ (in Höhne 2007)."

http://hornofafrica.ssrc.org/Hoehne/printable.html

[FBISOMALIA]

Salah Al-Din

same goes to your Issaq whom sign the contract to build new somalia , if your declared SL alone with out xamar accept why you guys Against Sool iyo sanaag iyo cayn decision ....!!!

[Babygirl-]

I don't have their signatures. I do know; however, that they are in the archives of Somaliland Government.

And you think SL would not have brought it out by now! CASE CLOSED! Triangle is that way!

[Executive]

Some people never get tired of entertaining lies, most of the dhulbahantes who attended those conferences are still alive today, they are all saying the same thing. It would be very easy to disprove them if you have those signatures you claim exist.

[Salah Al-Din]

BabyGirl,

The signatures are not in question. Your very own NSUM outfit can attest to this, although they put a wildly different spin on it. They at least have the moral scruples to not argue about signatures. What is in question is Ali Khalif’s amnesia when it comes to these conferences in which he played an integral part. He was part of the delegation in 1991 in Buroa & in 1993 in Borama where Somaliland’s independence was declared and then it’s initial constitution “the national charter” was formed. Ali Khalif was not only a participant but actually sought leadership as the VP/Prime Minister of Somaliland. To tell us 20 years later he had nothing to do with Somaliland is pure hogwash to say the least.

I have given the following sources:

1. Ali Khalif himself on record saying he was there in those conferences where the formation of Somaliland took place.
2. I have given a paper that discusses the nature of the Burao & Borama conferences, the process and the results. It even quotes that Ali Khalif was the VP/Prime Minister candidate of the constituency of
Eastern & Southern Sool, Eastern Sanaag & Southern Buuhodle.
3. I have given an interview where the late Garaad Abdi Qani (Allah Yarhama) from his own mouth admits to signing the declaration of Somaliland in Buroa 1991.
4. I have provided below the NSUM press release that does not dispute that the Garaad’s & officials from this constituency signed the declaration of Somaliland.

So far, you have no answer and no sources and no rebuttal for this mounting evidence. All you and your cheerleaders can muster is to echo show us the signatures. If you want those signatures, you will have to go to Hargeisa as I am not the Somaliland government and do not have them. However, the evidence and logic are with me. I’ve sourced every single point I have made. The facts are Ali Khalif Galeydh participated in the formation of Somaliland. Let’s be clear, I am not advocating that Ali Khalif supports Somaliland today, as he clearly does not; however, there is no doubt between 1991 & 1993 Ali Khalif was part & parcel of the state formation of Somaliland. In fact, one could say, Ali Khalif’s opinion carried more weight at the infancy of Somaliland rather than today 20 years later.

PRESS RELEASE, 16 January 2011
NSUM:- Born out of terror, the one-clan secessionist enclave calling itself "Somaliland" has espoused terror as a means to achieve its ends from the moment it declared its secession.
A reconciliation conference held in Burco in May 1991 among Somalia's northern clans, including those from Sool, Sanaag and Cayn (SSC) regions, was hijacked by armed extremists belonging to the secessionist clan's Somali National Movement - a misnomer for a ruthless terrorist organization responsible for the collapse of the Somali State and much of the ensuing woes that befell the Somali people since then. Under duress, and as was dictated to them, the SSC delegates had little choice but to sign up to the secession declaration from Somalia. This treacherous background is the basis for this illegitimate "Somaliland" entity that remains to the present day a scourge on Somalia's unity, peace and revival.

http://www.n-sum.org/

[EastAfrica]

All Isaaq Politicians like Cigaal signed the Union of Somalia in 1960, and Egal became the Prime Minister of Somalia later in 1960s.

Today Majority of SSC people support SSC State of Somalia, and they also support United Somalia.

If Somaliland (One-Clan Secessnist Faction) have the right to create their own Isaaq State (Somaliland) and leave United Somalia, also SSC People have the right to be part of United Somalia, and create their own SSC State within Somalia.


Very simple, If Somalia is divisible, the former British Somali Colony is divisible as well

[Salah Al-Din]

East Africa,

The question was about the bald face lie that Ali Khalif is trying to sell in that video of his by saying he did not participate in the formation of the Somaliland Republic. We`re not talking about Somaliland and it`s relationship with the constituency of Easthern & Southern Sool, Eastern Sanaag and Southern Buuhodle as it stands today. You can open another thread for that. Let`s not lose focus please. If you have anything to share to give Ali Khalif support in his assertions please feel free to contribute, although I believe that is a daunting task considering the evidence.

[Babygirl-]

1. They were Peace Talks.
2. Bring the proof
3, If you can't stop arguing & shut up.

Kulaaha i know we have it its in the Somaliland archives.. then go find it. Aqlii xuuma like Sl would not have used it against us & run to the world claiming here their Leaders & Elders signed it.. The Warlords SL supports & SL itself will be dealt with.. Dhulos are Uniting their Muruuq, Maal & Maskaax!! & i support the full eradication of anyone Including Dhulbahante that stands in the way of Dhulos interest..

Western Sanaag & Northern & Western Togdheer & Eastern Waqoyi Galbeed.. will never be a country & that triangle is that waaaaay

Guys dont argue with him until he find the Somaliland Declaration of Independence thats lost somewhere in the Grand Somaliland archives.. lool (who says we can't find our declaration of independemce? lool)

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN CAAD ma aragteen!! loool i could understand waar walaal an wax isku darsano! but you don't remeber but u did sign it & yh i can't find it!! loool

[abdalla11]

Leave Prof Galaydh alone

[Salah Al-Din]

BabyGirl,

You need to provide support for your position. I've sourced my points. They are rock solid. Gather everyone in the Sool section and bring something that counters Garad Abdi Qani's (Allah Yarham), Mohamed Saeed Gees & NSUM that show proof positive Ali Khalif & other delegates from this constituency not only signed the declaration of Somaliland but have lobbied to get positions in the Somaliland Government as high as the VP.

If you want to call Garad Abdi Qani (Allah Yarhama) a liar, the former Grand Chief of this constituency, then you got a lot of explaining to do. Please don't exert yourselves with coming up with any more drivel. I'm only interested in sourced rebuttals. Don't rush in, please take your time and report back when you have found something. Until then, the facts are as they stand, Ali Khalif is lying through his teeth. Even Cilmiile knows this much.

[samadoon-waaxid]

BabyGirl,

Don't be emotional. The conferences in question were a number of things. They are all documented. They were not only peace conferences, they were conferences based on nation building. .

how about u post those documents that you are talking about.Cuz ur told couldnt produce it for the last 20 yrs

[Salah Al-Din]

Samadoon,

I hope you can do better than BabyGirl & Co. I have provided four sources. Can you bring something similar? Just Ali Khalif saying he did nothing will not hold water. Lets deal with what we have on hand. Please give your best effort to rebut Garad Abdi Qani (Allah Yarhama), Mohamed Saeed Gees, NSUM and Ali Khalif himself being quoted by IRIN as knowing what Somaliland is all about because he participated in the formation of Somaliland.

I'm not interested in opinions; I'm looking for sourced & referenced positions. Please deal with what I have presented, and let’s hope you can muster something more than "It's all a lie." You can consult all the people in this section.