I belive in Allah but not Mohamed

[Gamadid.]

Enigmatic, you are on to something. I like to know how serious you are in this view of yours? If you are kidding, bro, you are just wasting people's time and yours as well.

I have a question for you but want to know how serious you are first. It is good that you believe in God. I hope your belief is one that transmutes into believing in what Allah told you as a muslim. So, how serious are you?

[Enigmatic]

Im completely serious man, Im not one of those fools who doesn't belive in a god, I belive in a god because I am just a mere mortal, I can be crushed, but all these people, who want to act like they are the chosen ones, in any religion, well it amazes me how we all fall for it.

Not beliving in Mohamed, doesn't mean you don't belive in god, I belive in a god, Mohamed was a man and I don't belive he was this perfect guy, he slept shited had sex with different women like the rest, politically and religiously powerful and as word of mouth spread they created the myths, like how they talk about giant men when they are really like 7foot tall.

Man I will say it again, Allah is the greatest, the rest are just dead fakers.

[LionHeart-112]

^^ u can believe in God..but to believe in God's message u must believe in Allah...gamadiid, take this please..i have had enough of these kaafirs.

[Gamadid.]

Enigmatic.

That is good. Believing in God means believing in his teachings then and I think we both agree on that one. Now, if you find your view in a more polite way in the Quran which contain the words of the same God you believe in, what will your reaction be? Will you accept it? I am talking about the same view you just expressed without the bad language? let me know saxib.

LionHeart.

You just wait untill Enigmatic makes clear to us what he meant. He sounds reasonable but with some misunderstanding. I am sure he knows no one is perfect. So just wait.

[Enigmatic]

I belive in Allah, now all the other stuff about Mohamed, well Mohamed added that in.

I respect all muslims, and allah but Mohamed is no different to my cousin Mohamed, I would treat him no different, actually I would since he is my cousin.

So we agree, Allah is the greatest, regardless of Mohamed, Mohamed can get his dues later, when we meet him in heaven(if he is there), but Allah is always something I belive in.

[LionHeart-112]

Acuudi billah.

[Gamadid.]

Enigmatic, can you take your time and answer the questions I asked you? As I told you, the Quran says the same thing you say, that prophet Mohamed is a mere human being who owns nothing for anyone including for himself, Prayer belongs only to Allah so is everything deemed a worship. The prophet himself told people to not make his grave an idol to be worshipped, he was deligent in telling people that to be muslim is to completely worship god alone and not associate anyone in the worship with him. I think you are confusing the status of the prophet as a messenger of god with the worship of Allah. When you say in the declaration that Mohamed is the messenger of Allah, you are doing nothing but affirming that you believe in his message and agree with him that he was from Allah as a trusted man with a message to mankind.. God has rights upon you, the prophet has rights on muslims, to obey him, to trust him, to respect him, and to pray for him. Don't forget that you are actually praying for the prophet during prayer which shows that he needs Allah's mercy himself. In the same way, muslims have rights on other muslims, nonmuslims have rights on Muslims and that is how the chain of respect and giving each party what they deserve goes. Do you understand that?

If you were clearly thinking, without prophet mohamed, there would be no Quran right? That is how Muslims got to know God to begin with and how to worship him, through prophet Mohamme'd message and beleiving in his credibility as a man who was seeking nothing else but to show people the right way to God. He never asked people to worhsip him which contradicts the whole message he was spreading. In fact, his relatives opposed what he was preaching because he was telling them to abandon the worship of others.

Anyway, war nin yohow, you need to learn and udnerstand the message of islam to avoid confusion.

You can't accept a message without the messenger, adn accepting the messenger's status as someone you are told by ALLAH to follow his foot steps and obey him in religious practice is nothing but what makes someone a muslim. You are just confused.

PS: Is it necessary to be foul and write expletives?

[Enigmatic]

See you had me until the bit about Mohamed, sorry..No

Allah is the greatest, No god but Allah but if I go to hell just because I don't say Mohamed is the messenger, then let me go to hell.

Allah is the greatest, Im not confused, its the world being brainwashed by yet another prophet, thats what it is, I didn't call him a con, but a GENIUS con.

So allow me to say again, Allah is the greatest.

[LionHeart-112]

^^May Allah (swt) guide you..

Gamadiid--check your pm walaal..

[Enigmatic]

Allah is guiding me, he is the greatest for me.

Allah the greatest, the rest are just dead fakers.

[Gamadid.]

Alright then, not a problem for me that you don't accept prophet mohamed as a messenger of God, however, since you claim to be a muslim, Allah tells you in the Quran to accept what the prophet comes to you as a message from God. If you reject such direct Order from the same god you claim you believe in, then God tells you that you disobeyed him. how do you answer to God? You said he guides you, adn part of his guidance includes that you follow the prophet puhm. What do you say to Allah's message to you as a muslim?

I wonder how you pray if you pray? You can't say you don't pray because Allah tells you in the Quran to pray. The question that arises then is how do you pray? Do you have a way of your own since you don't follow prophet mohamed? Don't skip this question please, you can answer it according to your beliefs. To accept the message(the Quran), you have to acknowledge the messenger and folow the directives of the message sender who Is Allah almighty. So, how do you answer this question?

LionHeart.

Kaadi badane waa loo gogol badiyaa ma maqashey? Enigmatic is on to something, we will soon find out Kistoo adiga sug saaxib he says he believes in Allah and the Quran, fine by me, but he has to tell us why he is contradicting the same Allah he claims he believes in and teh same Quran he says he accepts it. So, just wait.

[Enigmatic]

No man, Im not ignoring a direct order from Allah, thats what Mohamed claims, that we have to put his name in it.

If Allah says, Mohamed is a mere man, like us, shits, spits etc, then why should he punish me if I refuse to say his name in a pray or a praise to Allah?


I guess Im basically someone who belives in Allah/God but not a religion, just God, not the quran, just Allah.

I guess Im not a muslim, because I don't want to put Mohamed in the same sentence as Allah.

[LionHeart-112]

Gamadiid--gotcha..

[Gamadid.]

Enigamtic, it is okey nin yohow, I just had to clarify to myself that you weren't honest confused man but a man who is deviant.

The fact that you didn't answer how you pray and whether you follow Allah's directives to you in the quran tells a lot about you saxib.

Allah says in the quran that whoever obeys the messenger obeyed him(allah) and here you cvlaim Allah is your guide yet you contradict him in every sentence you wrote.

From the Quran:

"And obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad ) that you may obtain mercy. " Al-imran 132.

"These are the limits (set by) Allah (or ordainments as regards laws of inheritance), and whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ) will be admitted to Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise), to abide therein, and that will be the great success." Anisa 13.



There are countless verses in the Quran that tells you as a muslim to obey prophet mohamed.

PS: Enigmatic, you are caught red handed but don't leave the forum just yet. Bro Lionheart is impatient and I delegate my responsibilities to my younger brother.

[LionHeart-112]

Gamadiid---waryaa get your sleep. I knew this bastard belonged to that stupid group of people devouted to dividing the muslims..There is nothing but jihad between us and them..i have been to submission.com before..and i know his kind when i see them.