Is it time the forum dealt with religious extremism?

[accident]

This could get interesting. How are you going to define what is extreme?

No one is a religious scholar here and no one is in an official capacity as state judge that would interpret the Sharia. As a result, I would define religious extremism as anyonewho condones outward nature of terrorism, anyone who makes takfiir, anyone who attempts to solicit political support for terrorist groups, and anyone whom the majority of participants deem as having "extreme" religious views (blv me we know one when we see one).

You can always tell who is an extremist because they size down the collective sum of the faith to political matters. There are many respectable religious people on this board, that are faithful, pious, and we respect. People like Nobleman, Hyperactive, Amat-Allah, Perfect_Order, Executive, myself, etc. However, the most loud mouths are always the one who bring down the total sum of the faith to "murtad", "al shabaab/al qaeda",etc. There is no faith, there is no study of iimaan, history, law, literally every other facet of existence Islam touches on.

The terms hilited are themselves subjective, and used to define a term that is also subjective in understanding.

My view of extremism is of both violence/harshness, and excessive leniency and disregard for Shari'ah. Why is extremism viewed only in the perspective of violence? Is the outright abandonment of the Shari'ah not a form of extremism? What of those who openly mock the religion of Islam? What of takfir? How would you rule over someone who claim a Muslim will burn in hell for eternity and/or wish that the devil ram his ass? Because, imho, that falls under takfir. Now, if it is takfir, half the forumers will be banned, by your own rules.

I have not seen anyone mocking Islam openly and you are right it should not be tolerated.

Those who think some Muslim will burn in hell fire are not calling for the mass murder of people. Don't equate those people with the extremist celebrating the deaths in Xamar.

[Alphanumeric]

Just gotten word that the clamp down is under effect. Two individuals have so far been dealt with. Grandpakhalif has been given a permanent ban and Hutuking has been given a one week long ban as a warning. He will be banned permanently next time. No more religious extremism to the intolerable level that has been allowed to fester.

Very, very interesting.

[Voltage]

The terms hilited are themselves subjective, and used to define a term that is also subjective in understanding.

My view of extremism is of both violence/harshness, and excessive leniency and disregard for Shari'ah. Why is extremism viewed only in the perspective of violence? Is the outright abandonment of the Shari'ah not a form of extremism? What of those who openly mock the religion of Islam? What of takfir? How would you rule over someone who claim a Muslim will burn in hell for eternity and/or wish that the devil ram his ass? Because, imho, that falls under takfir. Now, if it is takfir, half the forumers will be banned, by your own rules.

First of all, are you not the big time athiest I had couple discussions with about miracles of Islam? Lately, I don't know if you had changed your position, but I am pleasantly surprised to see you discussing Islamic issues in coherent, peaceful terms rather than the extremism you had shown against it in the past.

Also, I think you are confused about the objectives of the topic. We are no here to judge people's outright practice of the faith. We are not God, nor are we ulamaa. Differences and disagreements can be sorted out through dialogue and discussions. What this topic concerns is by what parameters will such discussions take place; in a situation where suicide bombings are acceptable and we are screaming "Allahu Akbar" at the murder of students for political reasons, and the total sum of Islam's expanse is summed down to discussing it and trying to legitimize it or in a parameter were we can talk like civilized people that do not prescribe for each other hell's damnation at a moment's notice nor bode ill will and negativity for the billions of non-Muslims around the world?

Separate the merits of discussion vs. by what parameters such discussions will take place. You have presented normative reservations about merits of discussions whereas my topic concerns existential dangers to the legitimate pathways in which to engage in such discussions of merit.

[Alphanumeric]

First of all, are you not the big time athiest I had couple discussions with about miracles of Islam?

Thanks bro. All I was looking for.

Cheers.

[Voltage]

I'm sorry, my sincere apologies to you. I mistook you for "Alphamander", a most unpleasant atheist as I had ever come across. In fact I had confused you since I first saw your nick and continued to be surprised by how much you had changed. Now I know you never were him to begin with.

Actually, no. I'm not an agnostic. I'm an atheist.

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[yungnfresh]

^

Talk about a misunderstanding for the ages...Alphamander and Alphanumeric are similar in their names, but polar opposites in their beliefs.

[Voltage]

I didn't notice the different names (perhaps I'm dyslexic?) but I did notice the different views, I just thought he had a change of heart rather than being different:

First of all, are you not the big time athiest I had couple discussions with about miracles of Islam? Lately, I don't know if you had changed your position, but I am pleasantly surprised to see you discussing Islamic issues in coherent, peaceful terms rather than the extremism you had shown against it in the past.

Apologies to the brother.

[FAH1223]

Look, if you exhibit the tendencies of a grandpakhalif or hutuking... you will be warned. Its one thing to support Al-Shabab because the alternative is a joke but its another thing to blatantly call other people apostates with no proof, threaten to blow yourself up, and promote the mass murder of people. We can't tolerate that shid here and the owners of this site do not want to see that here either. Tribalism of similar proportions will not be tolerated on the generals either, that trash can stay in the trash of the forum - the clan section.

[Nabeela]

Look, if you exhibit the tendencies of a grandpakhalif or hutuking... you will be warned. Its one thing to support Al-Shabab because the alternative is a joke but its another thing to blatantly call other people apostates with no proof, threaten to blow yourself up, and promote the mass murder of people. We can't tolerate that shid here and the owners of this site do not want to see that here either.

[yungnfresh]

I didn't notice the different names (perhaps I'm dyslexic?) but I did notice the different views, I just thought he had a change of heart rather than being different:

First of all, are you not the big time athiest I had couple discussions with about miracles of Islam? Lately, I don't know if you had changed your position, but I am pleasantly surprised to see you discussing Islamic issues in coherent, peaceful terms rather than the extremism you had shown against it in the past.

Apologies to the brother.

Wallahi I find it hilarious that Alpha was mistaken for an atheist The whole innocence of the circumstances is what's cracking me up

[melo]

call other people apostates with no proof,

What happens if you black your claims up with evidence?

[accident]

call other people apostates with no proof,

What happens if you black your claims up with evidence?

Why get into who is a murtard and who is not? Is this the biggest issue we are facing in this era? Seriously?

[qoraxeey]

call other people apostates with no proof,

What happens if you black your claims up with evidence?

this melo character is also spreading extremism on the forum

calling ppl kafiir etc ... having dahir aweys as his idol


im just saying

[Voltage]

call other people apostates with no proof,

What happens if you black your claims up with evidence?

You are not God and you are not in a Sharia court. Simply said you will be banned, as Fah just told all of us.

[yungnfresh]

call other people apostates with no proof,

What happens if you black your claims up with evidence?

If you feel certain actions take one outside of the boundaries of Islam, no one will ban u for expressing your views. Mods aren't here to silence debate, just to make sure it's done reasonably without someone yelling "Murtad!" everytime someone disagrees with them about something.