100+ Jubbaland parliamentarians in Mogadishu support Kenya

[RovingMadness]

Voltage what I don't get is how will these different groups in the region come to an agreement once Kenya captures the region? Barre Hiirale has been fighting for a long time so has Axmed Madobe, plus ogaden Azania and MR, do these groups have a plan B? What will happen once Kenya leaves?

There is a contingency plan in the works between the major stakeholders. Everyone including the Kenyans are now understanding "Azania" is a liability and the Ogaden and Marehan are hinting they are ready for the first real deliberations and negotiations to form the state. Everyone has learned from the civil war and they all know, what didn't bear fruit before isn't going to bear fruit tomorrow (clan armed movements).

Murax-

Murax you are right about Shabab. Before "dhalinyarada" had a clean slate, a forming reputation as the men who took on the warlords, and really an opportunity for first impression. Also they were facing Ethiopia which brings much emotions from Somalis. The situation is completely different today, both the power they are facing and the dynamics surrounding their movement. They are over.

Is that Plan B the same as the one being worked out by Xil. Xiddig?

[Voltage]

Hiiraan can not be compared to Kismayo-The Jerusalem of Somalia. Besides, they are there for logistical reasons. They have done so before on numerous occasions. They have a contract to equip & supply the Somali Forces in Hiiraan.

Thank you very much.

[Voltage]

Is that Plan B the same as the one being worked out by Xil. Xiddig?

Xiddig has been a prominent member of these deliberations for quite some time now.

[RovingMadness]

Is that Plan B the same as the one being worked out by Xil. Xiddig?

Xiddig has been a prominent member of these deliberations for quite some time now.

That man is a man of a good character. Very decent & approached the problem rationally. he understood from the get-go that Azania thing was a big horrible joke & is now consulting the TFG on Kismayo post-Shabab. Wish the rest of his useless race were like him.

[Murax]

RovingMadness,

Do You believe in Federalism?

[RovingMadness]

RovingMadness,

Do You believe in Federalism?

Most def. I think anyone that's against federalism needs their heads checked. But I believe in responsible federalism where the writ of the central government in areas such as military, foreign policy & trade are respected. Not this Puntland none sense with its own president & delusions of behaving like a sovereign state.

[Murax]

RovingMadness,

Do You believe in Federalism?

Most def. I think anyone that's against federalism needs their heads checked. But I believe in responsible federalism where the writ of the central government in areas such as military, foreign policy & trade are respected. Not this Puntland none sense with its own president & delusions of behaving like a sovereign state.

Fair enough. I believe in Local Governance, Regional Administrations yet at the same time it is true there is a fine line between autonomy and flat out secession. I was just wondering if You were advocating for people in regions/towns other then Mogadishu to sit down with their hands in their pockets and not make a move until word comes from Mogadishu.

[Voltage]

Roving-

The rest of his clan considered him a big traitor until the last 2 years when they need him again through his friendship with the Sade and influence in TFG. This guy is Barre Hiiraale's best friend and actually rode out with Barre Hiiraale the night the ICU tookover Kismaayo in 2006.

Hadalka Cabdirashiid Xiddig oo ah wasiiru dawlo ka tirsan dawladda KMG ayaa isku dayay inuu baasiin ku daaro xaaladda ka taagan Kismaayo si ay Xarakooyinka walaalaha ah isugu dhacaan. Cabdirashiid Xiddig ayaa sheegey inuu soo dhaweynayo maamul cusub oo ka dhasha Kismaayo.

Xiddig oo ahaa nin aad ugu dhaw Barre Hiiraale oo Maxaakiimtii Islaamka oo Sheekh Axmed Madoobe watey ay dhawr dagaal sida dagaalkii Caanka ahaa ee Saakoow, ayaa isku dayay inuu isku diro Xisbil Islaam iyo Xarakada Alshabaab isagoo raba in Alshabaab ay dhahaan Xisbul Islaam waxay la shaqeynayaan Dawladda Sheekh Shariif.

http://www.kismaayonews.com/pageView.php?articleid=1247

Here is a topic about him in the Gedo Section:

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=273787

Ironically enough Guhad is Makaahiil and Makaahiil's number one guy in Somalia politics is Barre Hiiraale's best friend and long-time ally. The irony.

[RovingMadness]

No. I think someone in Kismayo, Baidoba, Bosaaso, Hobyo, Baladweyne knows what they need & the issues that concern them better than some politician in Mogadishu. My idea is let every region determine its future based on the wishes of its people as long as it doesn't contradict with the Law of the Land.

[RovingMadness]

Voltage,

Then that's interesting because I remember him clearly saying " only the ones that die for the Jubba Valley will rule it... Not someone vacationing in Nairobi" when he was a cabinet minister in Farmajo's tenure. That was a timeless rebuke to this Azania Madness

[Voltage]

Here is a video from couple months ago in April when a joint Marehan and Ogaden TFG group led by the Minister of Finance (Xalane, OG) and Chief of Police (Cali Madoobe, MR) and including Minister of Reconciliation (Suufi, MR) and Minister of State for Defense (Xiddig, OG), Fmr Commander of TFG Forces (Dhuumaal, MR) visited Gedo and Dhooblay to unite the two groups political and militarily.

Notice the OG feel at home in places like Beled-Xaawo and the commander of the TFG forces in Dhooblay Col Ereg is MR (rer Ahmed).

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There is a homegrown contingency plan that has long been in the making and which has the support of the actual stakeholders working in the land.

[Shift]

Ma xidig baa naf laga doonay caawa xaalka ma wanaagsana walee.

[Babygirl-]

Jubbalanders and their allies.

TFG has noting to offer these people they are even against their liberation build an autonomous region and tell the the stupid so called government fuck off.

[RovingMadness]

Jubbalanders and their allies.

TFG has noting to offer these people they are even against their liberation build an autonomous region and tell the the stupid so called government fuck off.

What's up Saado Ali? Aren't you too preoccupied with SSC?

[Babygirl-]

Am also from Jubbaland as a Darood! why don't you worry about cleaning xamar from the Al-shabaab and we worry about Jubbaland.