Puntland Its Time To Face The Music

[Cinque Mtume]

Daga, it's better if you post this in our private section sxb. We will let you know if you're accepted in the PPG.

Interesting stuff nonetheless.

[XaliimoFarax]

farole even lied about not having one single paved runway...whats galkayo

Its good to note that the way he is in the media he is also behind closed doors just total qabyalad

I don’t get it is Faroole the good guy or bad guy?

[SahanGalbeed]

He said dont recognise somaliland cus it will cause a war

1/

FAROLE also argued against
international recognition of Somaliland, which he predicted
would bring war with Puntland

2

FAROLE considered Puntland to be the current real
government in Somalia because he said the Transitional
Federal Government (TFG) did "not really exist as a
government yet."

[SahanGalbeed]

"why would the
international community want to provide arms to Islamists who
want to take over all of Somalia?"

but

He asserted that for the
cost of one of the naval ships now patrolling off Somalia, a
program could be established in Puntland with a 500 man
security force and a few speedboats that would end the piracy
problem. He also thought any new counter-piracy program
should be headquartered in Puntland

[SahanGalbeed]

FAROLE was
adamant that the United States not grant the recognition the
Somalilanders were seeking.

but

FAROLE wanted more assistance from the
United States. Specifically, he wanted USAID to open an
office in Puntland

[dagameison]

This answers why puntland security has gone out of wack. Mind u farole is right when he blames al-shabab they are involved but their just using clans in pland who feel sidelined to do the dirty work for them. Thats why al-shabab doesnt attack somaliland because its not supporting the tfg but we as pland are. Notice the second we got involved back into hamar politics the shit went crazy in pland

Anyways read this article answers all your questions on pland security

SUBJECT: Somalia - PUNTLAND's Downward Trajectory

REF: NAIROBI 17; NAIROBI 19; 09 NAIROBI 2503

CLASSIFIED BY: Robert Patterson, Counselor for Somalia Affairs, State
Department, Somalia Unit; REASON: 1.4(B), (D)

1. (C) Summary: PUNTLAND Administration President "Faroole"
appears increasingly determined to erode the integrity of PUNTLAND
political institutions and sideline clan and local leaders (ref
al). In addition to a deteriorating political situation, security
has continued to decline in PUNTLAND. Gunmen in January killed two
PUNTLAND MPs in Bossaso. On January 12, an there was an IED attack
on PUNTLAND security forces, and on January 27 an another IED
attack on PUNTLAND police. Also in January, a PUNTLAND
Intelligence vehicle was targeted by an IED. Al-Shabaab is
reportedly making greater inroads in PUNTLAND by exploiting local
grievances against "Faroole." Contacts tell us that "Faroole" this
month attempted to insulate himself from growing political
discontent in PUNTLAND by seeking external backing from Ethiopia
and Libya. PUNTLAND opinion makers and some members of the
PUNTLAND and TFG administrations are attempting to mitigate
"Faroole's" counterproductive behavior (ref c) and encourage
"Faroole" to focus on political and security issues. A delegation
of nine PUNTLANDers from the TFG Parliament, at the request of the
TFG Speaker, plan in the coming weeks to travel to PUNTLAND.



2. (C) Summary and Comment Continued: "Faroole" will use the
increase in violence to push for greater international support to
his security services. However, we think augmenting PUNTLAND
security services without efforts by "Faroole" to address the
underlying clan and political tensions in PUNTLAND would enjoy
little success. We are urging opinion makers and political players
in PUNTLAND to influence "Faroole" and to politically, rather than
militarily, confront the PUNTLAND President. While al-Shabaab has
long had a presence in PUNTLAND and al-Shabaab leaders certainly
have an agenda beyond confronting the PUNTLAND administration, the
apparent increasing ability of al-Shabaab leaders to conflate their
agenda with local grievances in PUNTLAND is a worrying development.
End summary and comment.



"Faroole's" Attack on PUNTLAND

Institutions Creates Friction

--------------------------------------



3. (C) PUNTLAND Administration President "Faroole" appears
increasingly determined to erode the integrity of PUNTLAND
political institutions and sideline clan and local leaders.
Against the backdrop of criticisms that the PUNTLAND draft
constitution gives too much power to the executive and de-fangs the
judiciary (ref bl), "Faroole" recently sought an amendment to the
draft constitution that would extend Presidential term limits.
"Faroole" as well has in recent months appointed his son as Special
Media Advisor to the President (reftel), a move that has drawn
widespread criticism across PUNTLAND. Additionally, multiple
contacts tell us that "Faroole" has sidelined local and clan
leaders in PUNTLAND, most recently alienating large sections of his
own Isse Mohamud sub-clan. (Note: PUNTLAND is largely composed of
the Darod clan, itself divided into multiple sub-clans. End note.)



Attacks on PUNTLAND Officials Increase

--------------------------------------------- -



4. (C) Against the backdrop of a deteriorating political
situation, security has continued to decline in PUNTLAND in recent
months. Gunmen in January killed two PUNTLAND MPs in Bossaso. On
January 12, there was an IED attack on PUNTLAND security forces and
on January 27 an IED was used against PUNTLAND police. Also in
January, a PUNTLAND Intelligence vehicle was targeted by an IED.

NAIROBI 00000117 002 OF 003


Likewise, November and December saw at least six separate targeted
attacks on PUNTLAND officials.



Sources of "Faroole's Behavior

--------------------------------------



5. (C) "Faroole's" counterproductive behavior appears driven,
in part, by his personality and the many years he spent outside
Somalia. A contact who has known "Faroole" for over fifty years
told us that "Faroole" has a rigid personality and described
"Faroole" as a "good technocrat but a bad politician." Contacts
believe that "Faroole" fails to understand the egalitarian
structure of Somali society, due in part to the many years he spend
outside Somalia, and consequently does not/not seek consensus when
making decisions.



6. (C) "Faroole" reportedly told a close contact that he
believed former PUNTLAND President ADDE Musa was too "controlled"
by the clans and that his administration would be more "civilized."
Contacts close to "Faroole" tell us that the PUNTLAND President
wants to be viewed by the international community as a
Western-educated technocrat. Multiple contacts tell us "Faroole"
has sidelined local and clan leaders in PUNTLAND, most recently
alienating large sections of his own Isse Mohamud sub-clan. Deeply
held grievances across other Darod sub-clans are reportedly
erupting now that the Isse Mohamud are publicly criticizing
"Faroole."



"Faroole's Conduct Creates

Opening for al-Shabaab

----------------------------------



7. (C) Al-Shabaab appears to be making greater inroads in
PUNTLAND by exploiting these local grievances against "Faroole."
For example, in January a key sub-clan leader admitted that he
knew the identities of all of the extremists in his sub-clan but
did not want to turn "his boys" over to "Faroole" because "Faroole"
was sidelining the sub-clan. The elder also rationalized that
al-Shabaab, unlike in south-central Somalia, was mostly targeting
government officials , suggesting that he did not see a great
threat to his sub-clan as such.



8. (C) (Note: In the early days of the Ethiopian occupation
of Mogadishu and until Aden Ayrow stepped up assassinations of his
own Ayr sub-clan elders, many Ayr leaders protected Ayrow from the
then Abudullahi Yusuf-led TFG. While al-Shabaab has targeted media
and civil service leaders in PUNTLAND, the vast majority of attacks
in PUNTLAND over recent months have, in fact, been aimed at
PUNTLAND government targets. End note.)



9. (C) "Faroole" is likely to continue to seek external
backers in an effort to insulate himself from growing political
discontent in PUNTLAND. Contacts tell us that "Faroole" in January
traveled to Ethiopia to seek support for an unpopular cabinet
re-shuffle. "Faroole's" goal for the would-be re-shuffle was
reportedly to remove key PUNTLAND ministers who were working to
contain "Faroole's" autocratic tendencies. (Note: The cabinet
reshuffle to date has not occurred. End note.) Our contacts tell us
that "Faroole's January visit to Libya was widely interpreted as
another move to seek external support rather than deal with
political problems at home.

NAIROBI 00000117 003 OF 003


TFG Efforts to Do Damage

Control in PUNTLAND

--------------------------------



10. (C) PUNTLAND opinion makers and some members of the
PUNTLAND and TFG administrations are attempting to mitigate
"Faroole's" counterproductive behavior (ref c). A delegation of
nine PUNTLANDers from the TFG Parliament, at the request of the TFG
Speaker, plan in the coming weeks to travel to PUNTLAND. The agenda
will reportedly focus on encouraging "Faroole" to re-engage with
the TFG and to build on the August TFG-PUNTLAND agreement (ref c),
as well as urging "Faroole" to understand the connection between
PUNTLAND's eroding political and security situations.



Comment

------------



11. (C) "Faroole" will likely attempt to use the increase in
violence to push for greater international support to his security
services. We believe, however, that augmenting PUNTLAND security
services absent efforts by "Faroole" to address underlying clan and
political tensions in PUNTLAND would enjoy little success. We are
encouraging opinion makers and political players in PUNTLAND to
influence "Faroole" and to encourage PUNTLANDers to politically,
rather than militarily, confront the PUNTLAND President. While
al-Shabaab has long had a presence in PUNTLAND and al-Shabaab
leaders certainly have an agenda beyond confronting the PUNTLAND
administration, the apparent increasing ability of al-Shabaab
leaders to conflate their agenda with local grievances in PUNTLAND
is a worrying development.

[dagameison]

This also explains why islan cise islan maxamed was no where to be seen at the puntland's sanad gurrad or suldan garaase or any isimo!!! Boqor darood hasnt been to garowe since farole was elected. Islan bashir went there recently but that was related to galkayo issue not because farole wants to give isimo more power.

This guy is taking the power away from all clan elders even his own

[dagameison]

Egypt is pro HAWIYE end of story.

EGIS CHIEF SOLIMAN AND U.S. AFRICA COMMAND DISCUSS SUDAN AND SOMALIA Classified By: Deputy Chief of Mission Matthew H. Tueller for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).
1.(C) Key Points -- Egyptian General Intelligence Services (EGIS) Chief Omar Soliman told a senior African Command delegation that an independent South Sudan would result in war and tribal conflicts that would flood Egypt with refugees. --Soliman suggested that either the U.S. and Egypt should lobby for unity or the referendum should be postponed to avoid the creation of a "failed state" in South Sudan. Alternatively, Cairo is working to convince both Khartoum and Juba that a two-thirds referendum majority should be required for separation and all Southerners, including those in Khartoum and the South Sudanese Diaspora, should be allowed to participate in the referendum. -- Soliman said Egyptian efforts to resolve the Darfur crisis are aimed at improving Sudan-Chad relations, unifying Darfur rebel groups, and addressing humanitarian concerns. Soliman said a resolution to the crisis is "near." -- On Somalia, Soliman said Egypt is working with Ethiopia and the Arab League to support Shaykh Sharif and the TFG. The Government of Egypt (GoE) is also engaging with Eritrea to facilitate rapprochement between Shaykh Sharif and Shaykh Aweys and to weaken the Al Shibaab. It also has plans to assist with the reintegration of PUNTLAND and Somaliland into the country and address economic development issues to combat piracy. End Summary.

2.(SBU) Egyptian General Intelligence Services (EGIS) Chief Omar Soliman on September 7 told an Africa Command delegation including Ambassador Vicki Huddleston, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense (DASD) and Vice Admiral (VADM) Robert Moeller, Deputy Commander of U.S. African Command, that Egypt's primary concerns in Africa are Sudan, particularly CPA issues and Darfur, and Somalia. --------------------------------------------- ---- Egyptian Plans for Encouraging the Unity of Sudan --------------------------------------------- ----

3.(C) Soliman expressed concern that the South Sudanese leadership and people will vote for independence in January 2011 and do not understand the "consequences of separation." Soliman asserted an independent South Sudan would result in war that would flood Egypt with refugees as occurred during the previous North-South civil war. He also stated the South would be mired in tribal conflict because southern tribes would not accept "Dinka domination" and a border would be seen as an attempt to divide the Misseriya tribe and limit access to traditional grazing lands. Soliman maintained that South Sudan is not viable because it lacks essential infrastructure such as roads, schools and hospitals, cannot provide for its own security, is so corrupt that it has squandered USD 7 billion in OIL revenues since the CPA was implemented, and would need to pay a large percentage of future OIL revenues to Kenya to guarantee access to the port of Mombasa.

4.(C) Soliman suggested three options for avoiding a "failed state" in South Sudan. He said the referendum could be postponed for 4-6 years until the "capacity for statehood" could be developed. Second, Soliman stated that the CPA could be amended to give South Sudan autonomy for 10 years and afterwards it could decide for federation or independence. Finally, he suggested that Egypt and the U.S. could push Southern leaders to support a unified Sudan. Soliman said it was the responsibility of Southern Sudanese leaders to educate the populace on the pros and cons of separation. He said if Southern leaders pushed for unity, the people of South Sudan would listen. He asked the USG to educate Southern leaders on the dangers of separation and encourage them to advocate for unity. In the event the referendum does take place in 2011, Cairo is working to convince both Khartoum and Juba that a two-thirds majority should be required for separation from Sudan and that all Southerners, including those in Khartoum and the South Sudanese Diaspora, be allowed to participate in the referendum.

5.(C) DASD Huddleston told Soliman that the USG supports CPA implementation and the South's right to self-determination in the referendum. Huddleston added that these goals also CAIRO 00001787 002 OF 003 require northern assistance, especially on development. She stated that S/E Gration is working with the NCP and SPLM to resolve outstanding CPA issues such as the census, elections, border demarcation, wealth sharing, and the modalities of the referendum to guarantee a "stable Sudan." Huddleston added that these goals require northern assistance, especially on development. She said that the new policy will address the USG's strategy for Darfur and North and South Sudan. Huddleston anticipated that the framework for U.S. policy will reflect a commitment to carrying out the CPA so that the referendum might take place as planned. The USG understands Egypt's concerns about independence but is committed to the CPA and referendum process.

6.(C) VADM Moeller asked Soliman what incentives the GoE and Government of Sudan (GoS) were offering to encourage unity. Soliman admitted the GoS has done nothing to build infrastructure in the south. He stated that in March, Egypt sent equipment to clear Nile aquatic plants and building material to South Sudan, but the shipments were stuck in Port Sudan "due to U.S. economic sanctions." Soliman said many in the GoS no longer care about making unity attractive because they are convinced the South will vote for secession. Therefore, Khartoum is reticent to spend money or facilitate development in the South, which needs to encourage unity. He said the GoS would change its approach if the USG were willing to engage with Southern leaders to promote unity. ---------------------- Darfur Resolution Near ----------------------

7.(C) Soliman stated that a resolution to the Darfur crisis was only a matter of time. He said Egyptian efforts were ongoing to improve Sudan-Chad relations, unify Darfur rebel groups, and address humanitarian concerns. Soliman told the delegation that Sudanese President Bashir is ready to comply with a solution on Darfur, and he said Egypt hosted a special envoy from Chadian President Deby on September 2-3 for discussions on Sudan. The GoE pushed Chad to abandon support for JEM leader Khalil Ibrahim, whom Soliman described as a "radical Islamist," and enter peace negotiations with the GoS. Soliman said Egypt, Libya, and Qatar were enjoying success in unifying the demands of Darfuri groups so they could participate in negotiations with the GoS in Doha. He praised the efforts of S/E Gration at helping to address the humanitarian issue in Darfur and stated the "Europeans" need to do more to return to Darfur and provide assistance. Soliman said peace in Darfur is near, but cautioned that minor tribal conflicts are bound to occur in the future. ----------------------------- The Egyptian Plan for Somalia -----------------------------

8.(C) Soliman told the delegation that Egypt had a three track plan for Somalia. Egypt is working with Ethiopia and the Arab League to support Shaykh Sharif and the TFG, engaging with Eritrea to facilitate rapprochement and weaken the opposition, and has plans to assist with the reintegration PUNTLAND and Somaliland into the country and address economic development issues to combat piracy. According to Soliman, Egypt is training Somali police in Djibouti and will do the same for the Somali Armed Forces. Cairo has asked the African Union (AU) to increase its forces in Somalia and change the mandate from peacekeeping to protection of civilians and government. Soliman stated that Egypt has had initial discussion with Eritrea on Somalia. Soliman and FM Aboul Gheit plan to go to Asmara after UNGA to open a dialogue with Eritrea officials on how to bring Shaykh Dahir Aweys into the TFG. Soliman said Aweys is jealous of Shaykh Sharif, but could be lured with the Vice Presidency. He stated that Aweys would then be able to use his religious credentials to convince Al Shibaab to support the government. Soliman also said the GoE had asked the Saudi and Emirati governments to control funds transferred from their countries to Somalia as a way to weaken the position of Al Shibaab.

9.(C) Soliman said the key to the Egyptian plan was convincing Eritrean President Afwerki to support Somali reconciliation. The GoE told the Eritrean FM on August 27 Afwerki's participation in the plan could improve his reputation and may help in obtaining Western assistance to implement the ICJ decision on the Eritrean-Ethiopian border dispute. Soliman said without Afwerki's participation Somalia would remain the site of a proxy war between Eritrea and CAIRO 00001787 003 OF 003 Ethiopia. He told the delegation that FM Aboul Gheit informed Ethiopian President Meles of the plan during the September 1 AU meetings in Libya. According to Soliman, Meles encouraged Egypt to try the plan, but warned Afwerki cannot be trusted to do what he says. DASD Huddleston suggested that Egypt keep the USG apprised of its efforts to promote an end to the conflict in Somalia, especially their conversations with President Afwerki.

10.(C) Soliman stated that piracy cannot be resolved unless the international community addresses the lack of development and economic opportunities in Somalia. Development funds, funneled through the TFG, will legitimize the government and allow them to exercise the control need to give people a chance at a better life. Otherwise, he said Somalia will be the "new site" for Al Qaeda and radicalism. Soliman said PUNTLAND and Somaliland need to be reunified with the "motherland." He stated both autonomous governments are making money from piracy and have no interest in shutting down the pirates.

[dagameison]

Anti Puntland foreigners are egypt,france, djibouti and france is anti us cuz of djibouti so its interwinded they are not in our interest.

Pro Puntland States are yemen, kuwait, dubai, libya, malaysia

Neutral states are italy, america, uk, ethiopia, britain .

Now we have gotten some success with america regarding influencing the two track policies which we were calling for as far back as 2008. That is now successfully being implemented. With that we won Italy and Britain support. We need to do more work on ethiopia who is still pro somalia but sympathetic to puntland and somaliland

[accident]

Other countries give a shit about Somalia/Puntland/Somaliland?

[dagameison]

Other countries give a shit about Somalia/Puntland/Somaliland?

If you think countries don't care your crazy. The busiest shipping lane in the world goes past puntland its in their interest to care for their trade materials which means caring for puntland. Not to mention the oil prospects in Puntland. But as far as ur concerned this just means nothing!!!

Farole with World Leaders in Turkey


Farole With Meles At Addis Ababa


Farole With Yemen's President


Farole Meets with Libya's Prime Minister


Farole meets kuwaiti government at the presidential palace


Farole meets with Djibouti President


Farole meets with UAE Officials


Puntland's Minister of Finance Meets with Australia Minister of Finance. I know this one very well cuz im from Australia


Farole With American Senator Mark Kirk in Bosaso (the first american government delegation in somalia since the 90s)


Farole and Italy Deputy Foreign Minister meet in Garowe


Farole recieves norway and uk's special representatives in Garowe


Farole meets with America's Special Representative in Garowe


Farole addresses American Congress and meets American Senators


Farole meets with uk Ministers and reports say " President Farole’s delegation arrived from Nairobi on Sunday morning, where they were welcomed at London’s Heathrow International Airport by FCO protocol officers and ushered to the airport’s VIP Lounge."


Farole meets Mark Bowen UN Humanitarian Agency at garowe


Mahiga Meets Farole at Garowe


Farole Leads Galmudug


Farole Meets with Sharif in Garowe


The Man is a Leader Respect Him after sharif no govt in somalia can claim the feats of this man

[accident]

Ok.

[dagameison]

Ok.

Puntland is a very important region stategically due to its important coast and natral resources. It has a government and it has secured peace for its citizen to work, live and invest in the state. It participates in Somalia in order to assist other somalis which can backfire with shabab intensify attacks on our region Because as u know if u support someone's enemy you are an enemy yourself but we will deal with it. It has an effective mechanism for conflict resolution for clan-wars with its grand isimos.

Its got good governance the best in Somalia as far as im concerned and I say that because look at how many developments occuring through-out the state and compare that other regional mamuls like galmudug and somaliland and u will see what I mean!!!

When have u heard of galmudug and somaliland building idps homes, running water, health posts, educational facilities? when was the last well dug in those regions to supports its nomad? when was the last school built? I am not going to give u a run-down on how many projects pland has occoring but if was such bad govt none of that would be visible as is the case in most other regions

[accident]

I said Ok dude. I don't really care for all these clan enclaves but as far as vising one of these regions, I have been told nothing beats Hargeysa if not Xamar. People who went to Puntland told me they felt threatened and "unhomey".

[dagameison]

I said Ok dude. I don't really care for all these clan enclaves but as far as vising one of these regions, I have been told nothing beats Hargeysa if not Xamar. People who went to Puntland told me they felt threatened and "unhomey".

Ok that is big lie that is set up by anti pland elements. Puntland is very welcoming. Look at what the mayor of mogadishu said

“Markii aan Garowe aadayay waa la I cabsi geliyay waxayna beenowday markii aan diyaarad Gaal-kacyo ku tegay oo safar dhunaca dhulka ah aan ugu baxay Garowe, iyadoo aan wadada ku sii arkay dad iyo deegaan nabdoon oo xoolaha iyo Ugaarta ay hal meel wada daaqayeen” ayuu yriri
Md Tarsan oo sheegay inuu waligiis tagin Gaal-kacyo iyo Garowe.

“Waxaan dhex mushaaxayay habeenkii ilaa seqda dhexe magaalada garoowe oo nalalka ka shidan iyo dhismooyinka cusub aad yaabeyso, waxayna isoo xasuusisay bari samaadkii Muqdisho sida ay ahaan jirtay iyo sida ay hada tahay taasoo caloosha I gedisay” ayuu yiri Duqa magaalada Muqdisho oo sheegay inuu ka maqsuuday booqashadii Garoowe.

This wat sharif said

Puntland is the mother of Somalia and we congratulate the Puntland people," President Sheikh Sharif said via a telephone conversation from Nairobi, Kenya.

Further evidence

New homes are built for IDPS so they can get out of conditions like this


To this



Their given food


They have farm plots


They have businesses


They are even apart of the police force and they provide the security for their areas of the city. They have elders who are recognised in Puntland. The only thing they lack is political representation in parliament and the government which is being worked on according to the deputy minister of agricultre !!!

So no dont buy into the myth of puntland being a very unwelcoming hateful state that is very far from the truth