Ethiopia and Somali conflicts of war

[metamorphosis]

Guys whatever qabiil led the way, the pride was felt by all somalis. On the other hand, whatever qabiil is used as pulpets, the pain is felt by all somalis.

[Shift]

Shirib is right,sayid axmed's war was a religious war.His ofspring carried the torch as garaad wiil-waal continued to punish the ethiopians,sayid maxamed who went down the same route and sayid c/raxman mursal who punished the english in jubbaland for their transgression.As the saying goes "the apple doesnt fall far from the tree".

[union]

You must also think the crusades were all about religion.

Religion was the main source for that too. U beg to differ?

Well, I think it was more of a case of the Pope being threatened by bored knights and finding a useful way of allowing them to practice their trade by seizing the lucrative holy land from the despised ‘infidels’. I’m sure religion was used as a cover, but more temporal goals were to be achieved by the crusades aswell.

[union]

Im assuming ur speaking of Imam Ahmed Gurey? If that is the case, the entire conquest of the Abyssinian empire was done under Islamic pretexts, and the banner of Islam and not Somalinimo

Religion may have had a component, but wars are fought for political reasons with religion upon occasion being used as motivator and justifier.

That Ahmed gurey is Somali is only commonly accepted amongst Somalis.

What do you claim he was?

[metamorphosis]

^ its disputed over. Heck even oromos claim him, some say he is arab. If you want to teach hs ur history then at least claim a historical figure whose qabiil isnt in question. I give u siyad barre cuz

[Based]

Oromos claiming Ahmed Gurey is nothing short of ridiculous. The Oromos weren't even in the vicinity prior to the weakening of Adal and Abyssinia, when they took advantage of the aftermath to expand into the Harar region. There's a reason Nur built the wall to keep out the Oromo

As for an Arab, that's an Ethiopian measure to save face. Every credible historian affirms Ahmed Gurey's origins as a Somali. The fact that his venerable nephew and heir was Marehan only strengthens the argument against non-Somali origin.

[Colonel]

Al Futuh Al Habash shall return insha'Allah alongside Futuh Al Swahili city states and Futuh Tanzania.

Like Shift said the only free Somali groups right now are ONLF and Shabab, the rest are puppets.

[Based]

I agree with the ONLF, but the Shabaab take orders from some cavemen in Waziristan.

If you honestly think they're purely an indigenous force, you're either a hardened ideologue or nuts.

[Colonel]

I agree with the ONLF, but the Shabaab take orders from some cavemen in Waziristan.

If you honestly think they're purely an indigenous force, you're either a hardened ideologue or nuts.

You really think people in a corner of Pakistan who are getting bombed on a daily basis have enough influence to dictate the policies of a Somali group? I must disagree.

If anything Shabab probably gets funds by Arab businessmen in the Middle East but i don't see any evidence that they are foreign controlled. Their biggest mistake IMO was for them to allign themselves with "The Base".

[Jaidi]

I agree with the ONLF, but the Shabaab take orders from some cavemen in Waziristan.

If you honestly think they're purely an indigenous force, you're either a hardened ideologue or nuts.

Saying they are mostly indigenous doesn't automatically = supporter. There are foreigners in AS and they have aligned themselves with the Base but that doesn't mean they are dictated by them. There is zero indication to support this and even a Pentagon adviser wouldn't agree with this conclusion. How popular their ideology is with most locals is and whether its nationalist is another story but the leadership is clearly Somali.

The idea that they are getting funding from the GCC or whatever is equally ridiculous. They aren't some well oiled machine, the money they get from the ports and from forcing businesses to pay "zakat" is more than enough to fund their operation.

[Shift]

The notion that AS is controled by outsiders confirms the somali inferiority complex,yacni they cant be this good and strong unless they are being assisted by non somalis,I remember a bbc interview with a well known somali warlord,when asked how come he lost his explanation was "niman khatar ahoo asian ah ayaan la diriray".No self confidence at all.

[arabmtu]

I agree with the ONLF, but the Shabaab take orders from some cavemen in Waziristan.

Correction; there's no cave, nor cavemen. They live in walled villas in cities like Abbottabad.

[accident]

I agree with the ONLF, but the Shabaab take orders from some cavemen in Waziristan.

Correction; there's no cave, nor cavemen. They live in walled villas in cities like Abbottabad.

Villa... cave. The new way to terrorize the infidels.

[metamorphosis]

This thread wasn't even about what one qabiil has can accomplish but rather what the unification of all qabiils can accomplish. Far kaliya fool madhaqdo bilaash loo ma dhihin.

[Based]

lol, Al-shabaab's entire ideology is a literal copy of AQ's. Their agenda is completely alien to the Somali way of life, down to the bizarre salwaar khameez outfits and pakol hats they love to wear as if they were Pashtun tribesmen. They're inspired directly from the the AfPak border, even going as far as openly pledging allegiance to AQ. The multitudes of foreign forces ranging from Tajiks to Kenyans clearly show they're no longer simply the indigenous "resistance" group they were prior to the Ethiopian withdrawal, but have morphed into an organization that seems to have an increasingly more international agenda. Though their funding is most likely derived from the Kismayo port, extorting natives, and links to shady Middle Eastern donors, I think it's more than apparent that their agenda is no longer restricted to Somalia or even dictated by Somalis, for that matter.

Has anybody actually seen this Godane character? Who is Al-Amriki and what is his role in the organization? Is there a split within the organization along ideological lines, Abu Mansur v Godane's camps? I don't know what to make of the situation anymore. It's bizarre seeing these leaders openly leading prayers or holding meetings in broad daylight when their counterparts in Waziristan can't take a leak without getting bombed. I think there's something else at play here tbh.