Religion

[SultanOrder]

PO,

to make it short and sweet, its all about faith.

If you have faith, none can take it away from you and if you don't have faith none can give it to you.

U gotta believe my brotha

So you have fallen for my trap, despite the fact I told you exactly what my trap was.

Your whole thing is not faith but trust as I said. You trust that the books, what people believe, and what you believe is true, you call it faith.

[FAH1223]

Muslim people believe the Qu’ran to be the word of God unchanged and unchangeable. A book which no falsehood can approach from the front nor the back, a merciful revelation from the sovereign of heaven to guide his creation to the path of righteousness and piety. A book unique in its style, most eloquent in its speech, clear in its expressions of the lawful and unlawful, conclusive in its proofs and protected from addition and omission. With that said, any textual scholarship of the Qu’ran which disagrees with progressive Muslim teachings is inherently incorrect.

I think the key word here is "believe". While Muslims wholeheartedly believe in the purity of their scriptures, others may not. Every belief system claims to be upon the truth, and every belief system claims to be the only route to salvation. I think what PO is trying to say is that it's easy to see the flaws in the logic of other belief systems, but we tend to temporarily suspend reason when it comes to our own. If we're being honest, every religion basically claims that what this book says is right because this book says it's right

lol @ your last sentence btw.

the thing is, even if you step back and look at your deen in the mirror and ponder... our book hasn't been changed, it has no grammatical errors even, and gives life the structure that many people clamor for but cannot find and end up being stuck in the mud

[Murax]

I don't know why the attention seeking clowns i.e PO, Union , Yalaxow, Enlightened Sista, etc. are even engaged. Let them believe whatever they want to believe.


Allah says in the Quran

And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and those who followed them with good conduct – Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment. [9:100]


The people who follow the Muhajireen/Ansaar Ridwaanulaahi Alayhim come after.

In Surah Hashar Allah swt says


Hashr 59:10] And those who came after them say, “O our Lord! Forgive us, and our brothers who accepted faith before us, and do not keep any malice in our hearts towards the believers – O our Lord! Indeed You only are the Most Compassionate, Most Merciful.”.


Again those that come after the Muhajireen and Ansaar.

The Prophet SAW said

Allaah's Messenger gave us an admonition which caused the eyes to shed tears and the hearts to fear, so we said, "O Messenger of Allaah, this is as if it were a farewell sermon, so with what do you counsel us?" So he said: "I have left you upon clear proof , its night is like its day, no one deviates from it except one who is destroyed, and whoever lives long from amongst you will see great controversy. So stick to what you know from my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the orthodox, rightly-guided caliphs - cling to that with your molar teeth


Allah swt is not a Opressor to His slaves. He has made right clear and wrong clear. Quran which has not changed, and a Sunnah and a example to follow in the Prophet SAW.

[Shirib]

PO,

to make it short and sweet, its all about faith.

If you have faith, none can take it away from you and if you don't have faith none can give it to you.

U gotta believe my brotha

So you have fallen for my trap, despite the fact I told you exactly what my trap was.

Your whole thing is not faith but trust as I said. You trust that the books, what people believe, and what you believe is true, you call it faith.

Yes I trust that Muhammad saw is the final messenger of God. I trust that the Quran is the word of God and I trust that Islam is the one true religion. And I pray that I die trusting all these things and that my last breath is the shahaada.

So did your trap work?

[Murax]

Btw, Wallahi I am free from the likes of PO, Union or any other zindiiq I happen to share lineage with.



“Then when the Trumpet is blown, there will be no more relationships between them that day, nor will one ask after another

Surah Mumenoon

[union]

Muslim people believe the Qu’ran to be the word of God unchanged and unchangeable. A book which no falsehood can approach from the front nor the back, a merciful revelation from the sovereign of heaven to guide his creation to the path of righteousness and piety. A book unique in its style, most eloquent in its speech, clear in its expressions of the lawful and unlawful, conclusive in its proofs and protected from addition and omission. With that said, any textual scholarship of the Qu’ran which disagrees with progressive Muslim teachings is inherently incorrect.

we're still gonna cut limbs

May Allah safeguard his religion from being hijacked by this type of Muslim. Protect it from those who flaunt the mercy and compassion of its teachings, but cling to its every proscription and strict punishment for every offense.

Amen.

[Based]

Muslim people believe the Qu’ran to be the word of God unchanged and unchangeable. A book which no falsehood can approach from the front nor the back, a merciful revelation from the sovereign of heaven to guide his creation to the path of righteousness and piety. A book unique in its style, most eloquent in its speech, clear in its expressions of the lawful and unlawful, conclusive in its proofs and protected from addition and omission. With that said, any textual scholarship of the Qu’ran which disagrees with progressive Muslim teachings is inherently incorrect.

I think the key word here is "believe". While Muslims wholeheartedly believe in the purity of their scriptures, others may not. Every belief system claims to be upon the truth, and every belief system claims to be the only route to salvation. I think what PO is trying to say is that it's easy to see the flaws in the logic of other belief systems, but we tend to temporarily suspend reason when it comes to our own. If we're being honest, every religion basically claims that what this book says is right because this book says it's right

lol @ your last sentence btw.

the thing is, even if you step back and look at your deen in the mirror and ponder... our book hasn't been changed, it has no grammatical errors even, and gives life the structure that many people clamor for but cannot find and end up being stuck in the mud

I'm just literally playing the devil's advocate

[union]

Union do you agree that the ones who interpret the Quran the best were those who were on the ground with the Prophet whilst it was being revealed. Do you also agree that because they had first hand experience under the guiding hand of the Prophet are the most fit and capable to interpret this Quran.

A yes or no answer would suffice.

I believe that Allah will allow any of his creation who approach the Qu’ran through humility and genuine pursuit of knowledge to gain its eternal wisdom (eternal meaning not limited to any particular time frame).

[Nabeela]

I don't know why some people are still in the closet, just come out and tell us what we already know. If you have faith everything should be clear as black and white, I don't know why you feel the need to seek clarification.

Murax is right, some people should be just ignored, they are just looking for reaction.

[Shirib]

Muslim people believe the Qu’ran to be the word of God unchanged and unchangeable. A book which no falsehood can approach from the front nor the back, a merciful revelation from the sovereign of heaven to guide his creation to the path of righteousness and piety. A book unique in its style, most eloquent in its speech, clear in its expressions of the lawful and unlawful, conclusive in its proofs and protected from addition and omission. With that said, any textual scholarship of the Qu’ran which disagrees with progressive Muslim teachings is inherently incorrect.

we're still gonna cut limbs

May Allah safeguard his religion from being hijacked by this type of Muslim. Protect it from those who flaunt the mercy and compassion of its teachings, but cling to its every proscription and strict punishment for every offense.

Amen.

I actually accept Allah's mercy and think it should be shown at all times.

I also believe that cutting limbs in the most literal sense is part of the Quran and has been accepted by every single major scholar of Islam.

But in the 21st century, union of snet thinks that, that ayah is no longer acceptable in these progressive times, as if the Quran is like the Torrah or Bible.

May Allah protect us from these kinds of men, who try twist and turn the Quran, and make it suite them as the Jews and Christians before them did.

Amiin

[ToughGong]

Btw, Wallahi I am free from the likes of PO, Union or any other zindiiq I happen to share lineage with.



“Then when the Trumpet is blown, there will be no more relationships between them that day, nor will one ask after another

Surah Mumenoon

Allahu Akbar

[SultanOrder]

PO,

to make it short and sweet, its all about faith.

If you have faith, none can take it away from you and if you don't have faith none can give it to you.

U gotta believe my brotha

So you have fallen for my trap, despite the fact I told you exactly what my trap was.

Your whole thing is not faith but trust as I said. You trust that the books, what people believe, and what you believe is true, you call it faith.

Yes I trust that Muhammad saw is the final messenger of God. I trust that the Quran is the word of God and I trust that Islam is the one true religion. And I pray that I die trusting all these things and that my last breath is the shahaada.

So did your trap work?

Yes that is all good, and you can go ahead and do that. But you also have to trust the countless number of people who have come after them to bring this message to you. You don't live 1400 years ago, so you have to trust that it is all there, which adds on to the first trust you already have, which is that it is all true.

[metamorphosis]

Someone quote me that hadith where abu bakar said something like 'if you worshiped mohmaed s.a.w, then go back to your old days because mohamed s.a.w is gone, but if you worship God-god is still there' What you are trying to tell us is that the authenticity of our religion then could be validated because the man whom it was revealed to was alive. It's still valid today because the books of hadiths, and the divine revelation itself is the same as it was 14 centuries ago. The quran's impeccable autheticity can be verified by looking at all the prophecies it has foreshadowed, and all the scientific factualities that it mentioned 14 centuries ago when man was scientifically and technologically defecient. Science is just discovering it now. Allah's signs is all around you. If you still are in doubts then may allah show you the light because its no use telling you anything if allah has already decreed for you to be lost.

[ToughGong]

^
"Min kana Yacbuda Mohamed fa ina Mohamed qadmas
Wa min kana Yacbudullah fa inallahu xayun la yamut"

"Those who worshipped ,know that Muhammad is dead.
But whoever worshipped Allah? Allah is alive and will never die."

[SultanOrder]

I don't know why some people are still in the closet, just come out and tell us what we already know. If you have faith everything should be clear as black and white, I don't know why you feel the need to seek clarification.

Murax is right, some people should be just ignored, they are just looking for reaction.

I made a topic declaring myself, so then how am I in the closet?

nabeela, if I am seeking attention so be it, is that a crime? If it is, then aren't you yourself accused of it? What have you added to the topic other than you agree with murax? You have simply come in to voice YOUR OPINION that murax is correct, either you are attention seeking or arrogant enough to believe that your opinion matters.