Mr Perfect Order come in.

[Xamud.]

Yes but that is only someone who doesn't realize temporary satisfaction is only just that, temporary. If no permanent physical pleasure can be attained why must someone destroy themselves by chasing after a phantom. Take sure for instance, a few teaspoons in a cup of tea is delicious, but say you had more than enough and you drink it, that will turn you off from your love of sugar or tea. At the same time, effort and patience that bring about success is the key to happiness. Also, anything you enjoy too much brings a displeasure in it, but take the least of satisfactions and make it a rarity, you will see it as the greatest thing. So in truth a limitation brings about an ecstasy.

In other words why spend your time on the earth "chasing a phantom and adhering to rules and norms" when you can live your life freely and do as you please?


Well my advice to you is do some soul searching, maybe your just going through a phase, but never de-announce Islam, it`s not something we should ever consider, we are lucky to have been born into Islam, don`t throw away your gift because your having a hard time understanding some aspects of the religion.

Xamud isn't every belief a way of life? That belief either directly speaks about that aspect of life or it chooses to let you decide. All beliefs are the same except in the particulars.

I don`t believe every religion is a way of life, Islam will tell you how to treat your neighbour, your parents, how to bury your dead ones, what to eat, how to dress, what to avoid etc more importantly the message of the quran is the same in every single language, don`t matter if your Chines or Pakistani, they all read the same message, no other religious transcript can challenge the consistency of our holly book.

While mos religions have a set of rules and they differ from nation to nation, I mean some religions can`t even agree on which book to follow.

[Cinque Mtume]

I would go mentally insane and probably commit suicide if I believed there is no God. Without Allah, there is no justice in the universe. If there's no justice, there's no love -> our whole existence wouldn't make sense. That's why I think atheists are the Al Shabaab of agnosticism. Agnostics I can understand: the "I just don't know wether there is a God or not and I probably die not knowing." I don't agree with them, they're weak individuals, but I can see where they're coming from.

I know the following might sound like a paradox, but there is too much injustice in this world for there not to be a God, a Guardian who will set things straight in the afterlife or in any other way. That God is Allah subxaana wa tacaala.

[Nabeela]

PO, stop beating around the bush, Xamuud asked you a simple question,

-Have you left Islam?

-Are you an atheist?

Simple yes or not will do.

You are dodging the question, which leads me to believe you are either trolling or looking for attention.

[Cinque Mtume]

Nabeela,

It's obvious the answer to Xamud's question is: YES

[MrSinister]

I would go mentally insane and probably commit suicide if I believed there is no God. Without Allah, there is no justice in the universe. If there's no justice, there's no love -> our whole existence wouldn't make sense. That's why I think atheists are the Al Shabaab of agnosticism. Agnostics I can understand: the "I just don't know wether there is a God or not and I probably die not knowing." I don't agree with them, they're weak individuals, but I can see where they're coming from.

I know the following might sound like a paradox, but there is too much injustice in this world for there not to be a God, a Guardian who will set things straight in the afterlife or in any other way. That God is Allah subxaana wa tacaala.

one could argue that if there is a god, there would not be so much injustice, unless god was a petty god.

[Nabeela]

I read what he said, but his answers weren't clear enough.

[Cinque Mtume]

I would go mentally insane and probably commit suicide if I believed there is no God. Without Allah, there is no justice in the universe. If there's no justice, there's no love -> our whole existence wouldn't make sense. That's why I think atheists are the Al Shabaab of agnosticism. Agnostics I can understand: the "I just don't know wether there is a God or not and I probably die not knowing." I don't agree with them, they're weak individuals, but I can see where they're coming from.

I know the following might sound like a paradox, but there is too much injustice in this world for there not to be a God, a Guardian who will set things straight in the afterlife or in any other way. That God is Allah subxaana wa tacaala.

one could argue that if there is a god, there would not be so much injustice, unless god was a petty god.

Which is why I said it sounds paradoxical.

At the same time one could also argue that trying to understand God as a mortal human being made of clay, is like a calculator trying to compute Human emotions.

[abdikarim86]

I would go mentally insane and probably commit suicide if I believed there is no God. Without Allah, there is no justice in the universe. If there's no justice, there's no love -> our whole existence wouldn't make sense. That's why I think atheists are the Al Shabaab of agnosticism. Agnostics I can understand: the "I just don't know wether there is a God or not and I probably die not knowing." I don't agree with them, they're weak individuals, but I can see where they're coming from.

I know the following might sound like a paradox, but there is too much injustice in this world for there not to be a God, a Guardian who will set things straight in the afterlife or in any other way. That God is Allah subxaana wa tacaala.

one could argue that if there is a god, there would not be so much injustice, unless god was a petty god.

That statement can easily be rebuked.

We believe life on earth isn't perfect, there will always be injustice,
there will always be suffering, and you won't always get your way
no matter how much you pray.

The answer is not to proclaim there is no God, rather in
my opinion, I believe God is testing us with all the
disappointments of life. He is testing how we react to
calamity, suffering and injustice.

I agree with cinque that all the problems in this world
make me believe more. Only because I believe God is
the greatest examinor and will examine how we deal in
this life.

[FAH1223]

The little nigga is messing with all of you. He's playing devil's advocate

[Xamud.]

That statement can easily be rebuked.

We believe life on earth isn't perfect, there will always be injustice,
there will always be suffering, and you won't always get your way
no matter how much you pray.

The answer is not to proclaim there is no God, rather in
my opinion, I believe God is testing us with all the
disappointments of life. He is testing how we react to
calamity, suffering and injustice.

I agree with cinque that all the problems in this world
make me believe more. Only because I believe God is
the greatest examinor and will examine how we deal in
this life.

Well said

Cinque and Nabeela I think you guys scared PO away, nevertheless I think he kind of answered my question indirectly. Ilaahey ha so hanuuniyo.

The little nigga is messing with all of you. He's playing devil's advocate

Only a dumb retard with mess around with leaving Islam, and PO is a smart brother. You don`t mess with diinta.

[abdisamad3]

no wonder, he left the diin, I remember him sending some pm's telling me to leave caasho candho alone,

[grandpakhalif]

he left islam simple as that, may allah make our hearts steadfast on the deen.

[SultanOrder]

no wonder, he left the diin, I remember him sending some pm's telling me to leave caasho candho alone,

:lol; wjo is casho cando? When did I send you a pm?

[abdisamad3]

no wonder, he left the diin, I remember him sending some pm's telling me to leave caasho candho alone,

:lol; wjo is casho cando? When did I send you a pm?

casho candho aka uncle ruckus, also known as union by some, yeah its longtime ago you can't remember right,

[Alphanumeric]

I used to care about others' beliefs.

This thread is a personal attack. It should be deleted.