No freedom of religion in Canada

[Beenaale_No1]

The veil is a shit restarted garment anyway.

[XaliimoFarax]

The veil is a shit restarted garment anyway.

No one is forcing u to wear it.

[Rabshoole]

I can understand the outrage if they banned wearing the hijab or even, to a lesser extent, wearing the niqaab in public...lakiin it's only practical that they remove the niqaab when taking photos for government i.d.'s or the swearing in ceremony for Canadian citizenship.

At the end of the day, this is a gaalo country and they've graciously accepted us as refugees when our own Muslim "brothers" back home are the reason we left...part of being a Muslim is showing gratitude for their kindness and so we shouldn't disrupt their societal order over something that isn't even wajib. We need to stop being hypersensitive and save our outrage for if they ban hijab or salat, pillars of our faith that we can't compromise on.

[yungnfresh]

The veil is a shit restarted garment anyway.

The wives of the Prophet SAW wore it and it's an Islamic article of clothing...have some respect.

[arabmtu]

...lakiin it's only practical that they remove the niqaab when taking photos for government i.d.'s or the swearing in ceremony for Canadian citizenship.

Photos on passports or ids has were never a problem; they always took pictures without niqab, some even without hijab. Afterall, one keeps a passport or id in a wallet and is seldom displayed in public. As for the swearing in ceremony, it isn't like the niqabi sister would enter there unknown of without personal id.

[Nanees]

Why did they have to ban it... If you're taking an id you kind of need to be identifiable.

[yungnfresh]

...lakiin it's only practical that they remove the niqaab when taking photos for government i.d.'s or the swearing in ceremony for Canadian citizenship.

Photos on passports or ids has were never a problem; they always took pictures without niqab, some even without hijab. Afterall, one keeps a passport or id in a wallet and is seldom displayed in public. As for the swearing in ceremony, it isn't like the niqabi sister would enter there unknown of without personal id.

So if they're ok with taking it off for official government i.d.'s, why create a shitstorm over taking it off for the citizenship affirmation ceremony, a prerequisite for getting those government i.d.'s down the road?

[arabmtu]

So if they're ok with taking it off for official government i.d.'s, why create a shitstorm over taking it off for the citizenship affirmation ceremony, a prerequisite for getting those government i.d.'s down the road?

Clearly, taking it off for official government ids is a requirement (ids aren't identifiable while with niqab). Acquiring the photos is discreet and takes a few minutes. The frequency? Once 5-10 years. The ceremony is public gathering. Furthermore, this hasn't been an issue before; tens thousands of niqabis took their citizenship without a fuss.

[yungnfresh]

So if they're ok with taking it off for official government i.d.'s, why create a shitstorm over taking it off for the citizenship affirmation ceremony, a prerequisite for getting those government i.d.'s down the road?

Clearly, taking it off for official government ids is a requirement (ids aren't identifiable while with niqab). Acquiring the photos is discreet and takes a few minutes. The frequency? Once 5-10 years. The ceremony is public gathering. Furthermore, this hasn't been an issue before; tens thousands of niqabis took their citizenship without a fuss.

And the frequency of a citizenship affirmation ceremony is just once. Again, I don't see why they should split hairs...if they're willing to remove it for their passport picture (which will be eyed by airport officials anywhere they pass through), there's no point in making a fuss about removing it for 1 national ceremony and acting like your rights are being trampled on. The detriment outweighs the benefit.

[arabmtu]

there's no point in making a fuss about removing it for a national ceremony and acting like your rights are being trampled on.

There's a point; it wasn't an issue before now. Why was it allowed before? What's allowed for Muslims today that they will ban tomorrow?

[yungnfresh]

there's no point in making a fuss about removing it for a national ceremony and acting like your rights are being trampled on.

There's a point; it wasn't an issue before now. Why was it allowed before? What's allowed for Muslims today that they will ban tomorrow?

There could've been an incident that was the catalyst...but even if there wasn't, is it worth the energy of fighting for something so minor just cuz that particular something that's so minor was allowed in the past? Whatever they ban tomorrow, we'll deal with tomorrow...but why fight tomorrow's hypothetical battle today when we've got more important things to worry about as Muslims.

[Shirib]

I agree with yungnfresh

[arabmtu]

...but even if there wasn't, is it worth the energy of fighting for something so minor just cuz that particular something that's so minor was allowed in the past?

If you don't or won't fight for your minor rights, how are you supposed to fight for major rights?

[yungnfresh]

You gotta pick and choose your battles amd only fight the ones that are worth it...if you continuously cause an uproar over inconsequential things, it devalues the legitimacy of your valid concerns later on

[Nanees]

I agree with yungnfresh

I agree with Shirib, agreeing with Yungnfresh