Grandpa you serious?

[UlteriorMotive]

@ Hutuking .....It's called 'Salafi Burnout'.

I used to know, quite well, a leader of the radical 'Islamic' group, the Jama'at Islamiya, at the Egyptian university of Assiut. His name was Hamdi. He grew a luxuriant beard, was constantly scrubbing his teeth with his miswak, and spent his time preaching hatred of the Coptic Christians, a number of whom were actually attacked and beaten up as a result of his khutbas. He had hundreds of followers; in fact, Assiut today remains a citadel of hardline, Wahhabi-style activism.

The moral of the story is that some five years after this acquaintance, providence again brought me face to face with Shaikh Hamdi. This time, chancing to see him on a Cairo street, I almost failed to recognise him. The beard was gone. He was in trousers and a sweater. More astonishing still was that he was walking with a young Western girl who turned out to be an Australian, whom, as he sheepishly explained to me, he was intending to marry. I talked to him, and it became clear that he was no longer even a minimally observant Muslim, no longer prayed, and that his ambition in life was to leave Egypt, live in Australia, and make money. What was extraordinary was that his experiences in Islamic activism had made no impression on him - he was once again the same distracted, ordinary Egyptian youth he had been before his conversion to 'radical Islam'.

This phenomenon, which we might label 'salafi burnout', is a recognised feature of many modern Muslim cultures. An initial enthusiasm, gained usually in one's early twenties, loses steam some seven to ten years later. Prison and torture - the frequent lot of the Islamic radical - may serve to prolong commitment, but ultimately, a majority of these neo-Muslims relapse, seemingly no better or worse for their experience in the cult-like universe of the salafi mindset.

This ephemerality of extremist activism should be as suspicious as its content. Authentic Muslim faith is simply not supposed to be this fragile; as the Qur'an says, its root is meant to be 'set firm'. One has to conclude that of the two trees depicted in the Quranic image, salafi extremism resembles the second rather than the first. After all, the Sahaba were not known for a transient commitment: their devotion and piety remained incomparably pure until they died.

Going from Jihadi to Salafi Jadiidi is not unheard of nor is it new. But to do so in a matter of weeks is rather strange. Calling the House of Saud 'apostates' in December and 'amirul mumineed' in January whilst relegating the shabab from 'mujahids' to 'khawarij' during the same time frame is indicative of the superficiality of your beliefs. Either you are not investigating fully what you claim or you love attention and try to be as over dramatic as possible. In short, stop flipflopping.

[Colonel]

Soon Grandirhabikhalif will be dancing here while yelling " Anna anaa arabi anna anaa arabi

[grandpakhalif]

granpakhalif,

do u think non Salafi's are on the path to jannah?

No whoever is not upon the way of the Salaf or (Salafi) is on the way to hellfire because they are part of 72 sects or they are kaafir like twelver shias. Because the Prophet said: Khairu naas qarnii thuma amlaamtum thuma amlaamtam. So whoever is not upon the way of the Salaf is following the way of dhalaala (misguidance) and every misguidance is in the hellfire. and the evidence we cite for this:

Allah, the Exalted, says: "And as for the foremost among the believers, the first of the Emigrants and the Helpers, and those who followed them in the best possible manner, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him; and He has prepared for them Gardens beneath which rivers flow. They will abide therein for ever. This is the great success." (9:100)

yes yes they are the saved sect, does this mean all salafis are saved? No. Am I claiming to be saved? NO. Salafis we say this is the path to jannah but we do not claim so arrogantly that every individual claiming Salafiyyah is now 'saved'.

[Shirib]

granpakhalif,

do u think non Salafi's are on the path to jannah?

No whoever is not upon the way of the Salaf or (Salafi) is on the way to hellfire because they are part of 72 sects or they are kaafir like twelver shias. Because the Prophet said: Khairu naas qarnii thuma amlaamtum thuma amlaamtam. So whoever is not upon the way of the Salaf is following the way of dhalaala (misguidance) and every misguidance is in the hellfire. and the evidence we cite for this:

Allah, the Exalted, says: "And as for the foremost among the believers, the first of the Emigrants and the Helpers, and those who followed them in the best possible manner, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him; and He has prepared for them Gardens beneath which rivers flow. They will abide therein for ever. This is the great success." (9:100)

yes yes they are the saved sect, does this mean all salafis are saved? No. Am I claiming to be saved? NO. Salafis we say this is the path to jannah but we do not claim so arrogantly that every individual claiming Salafiyyah is now 'saved'.

So suufi's are going to hell?

[grandpakhalif]

If someone dies upon suufism, then yes generally they fall under the general guidelines of this hadith:

((My ummah will be divided into seventy three sects. All of them will be in the Fire except one?)), [Saheeh Muslim, no.976]

[SultanOrder]

Shirib, in grandpa's mind "the way of the salaf" is just another term of orthodoxy. So whoever is not upon orthodox Islam, is going to hellfire. But what then is orthodoxy, it is an interpretation of what is deemed to be the way of the Sunnah before going through change. But again, it comes down to interpretation, of who you deem is orthodox. I can deem orthodox or "the way of the salaf" people who are different than from Grandpa.

[SultanOrder]

Grandpa that hadith speaks nothing against using a tusbah or some kind of mechanism to use to keep track of your dhikr.

[Shirib]

If someone dies upon suufism, then yes generally they fall under the general guidelines of this hadith:

((My ummah will be divided into seventy three sects. All of them will be in the Fire except one?)), [Saheeh Muslim, no.976]

and how do you know suufi's are not the one, and the salafiyah are not one of the seventy two sects?

[grandpakhalif]

Akhi Proud Father I am not saying it is bid'ah but it the Prophet used to use his fingers. These days the tusbax became a simple of piety, a superficial dohicky that resembles the cross, people put it on their necks carry it etc. It annoys me personally.

P_O, its just a personal opinion. Some scholars say it is bid'ah some say it is permissible, I take the position that it is permissible, but it annoys me.

Just my personal opinion don't take it to heart.

[grandpakhalif]

Akhi, Shirib because Allah and his messenger would not leave us clueless and lost and gave us defining characteristics.

Obviously I can't explain it with all the adhilla so read this article by Sheikh Ibn Uthaymeen (rahimahullah):

http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.c ... Topic=7559

[ProudFather]

Grandpa, waad waalan tahay eh naga fadhiiso saaxib.

[Colonel]

granpakhalif,
do u think non Salafi's are on the path to jannah?

No whoever is not upon the way of the Salaf or (Salafi) is on the way to hellfire because they are part of 72 sects or they are kaafir like twelver shias. Because the Prophet said: Khairu naas qarnii thuma amlaamtum thuma amlaamtam. So whoever is not upon the way of the Salaf is following the way of dhalaala (misguidance) and every misguidance is in the hellfire. and the evidence we cite for this:

Allah, the Exalted, says: "And as for the foremost among the believers, the first of the Emigrants and the Helpers, and those who followed them in the best possible manner, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him; and He has prepared for them Gardens beneath which rivers flow. They will abide therein for ever. This is the great success." (9:100)

yes yes they are the saved sect, does this mean all salafis are saved? No. Am I claiming to be saved? NO. Salafis we say this is the path to jannah but we do not claim so arrogantly that every individual claiming Salafiyyah is now 'saved'.

Let me make it clear that you do not have to be a salafi to be upon salafiyyah, salafiyyah is following Quran, sunnah and the way of the Salaf (first 3 generations).

Also claiming that you are part of the saved sect is an arrogant claim to make and indeed the believer is not arrogant.

[grandpakhalif]

yes yes they are the saved sect, does this mean all salafis are saved? No. Am I claiming to be saved? NO. Salafis we say this is the path to jannah but we do not claim so arrogantly that every individual claiming Salafiyyah is now 'saved'.

colonel who you tryna call arrogant? look what I said here.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

granpakhalif,

do u think non Salafi's are on the path to jannah?

No whoever is not upon the way of the Salaf or (Salafi) is on the way to hellfire because they are part of 72 sects or they are kaafir like twelver shias. Because the Prophet said: Khairu naas qarnii thuma amlaamtum thuma amlaamtam. So whoever is not upon the way of the Salaf is following the way of dhalaala (misguidance) and every misguidance is in the hellfire. and the evidence we cite for this:

Allah, the Exalted, says: "And as for the foremost among the believers, the first of the Emigrants and the Helpers, and those who followed them in the best possible manner, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him; and He has prepared for them Gardens beneath which rivers flow. They will abide therein for ever. This is the great success." (9:100)

yes yes they are the saved sect, does this mean all salafis are saved? No. Am I claiming to be saved? NO. Salafis we say this is the path to jannah but we do not claim so arrogantly that every individual claiming Salafiyyah is now 'saved'.

Who you kidding?

[grandpakhalif]

Hutu I hope on the Day of Judgement the King takes all your good deeds, sidaad caynaysa caadi maha.