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[FAH1223]

I don't start shit mate. Anyways, Somalis have always been fighting and they always will. It's their nature.

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-1 for +1ning that. Its not in our nature because if it was we would hate everyone not just ourselves.

Look into your history and you'll see how your clan fought others and it is glorified in much of the music and poetry from YEARS ago. These people kill each other for over scarce resources and are looking for power in the modern era in a centralized state to only benefit their clan. Wakeup, Somalis been fighting each other FOREVER.

[PrinceDaadi]

Somalia is suffering lack of leadership, it needs a leader who can tell to the ppl something different which all the ppl can target, too bad after 25 yrs of civil war Some Somalis still wana get un fair share of the government, tell them selves that they r entitled to rule Somalia. While Unity is very Important I believe We may divide Somalia atleast in to 3 countries. Somalia needs to individualize leadership and remove qabiil from the leader as Farmajo, Addow and many others did.

Back to forgiveness! Who forgives who? the clans who used the government troupes to kill other Somalis or those who came after them and did the revenge or those who come after them who took the matter in to a whole a new level of clan vs clan sub-clan vs sub-clan or the ones who brought foreigners powers in order to do their turn of revenge or those who r trying to force others to stay with them in their fantasy.

Somalia is facked up, the best it can do is to say bygones are bygones like Liberians did.

[MrSinister]

after the recent possible discovery of oil in puntland, all the hawiye want forgiveness. coincidence?

[Avicenna]

The only people who's forgiveness the rest of us should be worried about are the marginalized, oppressed & stigmatized masses that we conveniently dub "minority clans". They took the brunt of the civil war, suffered in humiliation, watched helplessly as the little they owned was either looted or razed to the ground. They still suffer and have no one to fend for them, but themselves. If you're Daarood, Hawiye or Isaaq, shut the fuck up. Somalia burns because of all the injustices that is not only accepted, but encouraged, all under the cover of clan loyalty.

[The_Emperior5]

The only people who's forgiveness the rest of us should be worried about are the marginalized, oppressed & stigmatized masses that we conveniently dub "minority clans". They took the brunt of the civil war, suffered in humiliation, watched helplessly as the little they owned was either looted or razed to the ground. They still suffer and have no one to fend for them, but themselves. If you're Daarood, Hawiye or Isaaq, shut the fuck up. Somalia burns because of all the injustices that is not only accepted, but encouraged, all under the cover of clan loyalty.

Good points there Avicenna

[MrSinister]

The only people who's forgiveness the rest of us should be worried about are the marginalized, oppressed & stigmatized masses that we conveniently dub "minority clans". They took the brunt of the civil war, suffered in humiliation, watched helplessly as the little they owned was either looted or razed to the ground. They still suffer and have no one to fend for them, but themselves. If you're Daarood, Hawiye or Isaaq, shut the fuck up. Somalia burns because of all the injustices that is not only accepted, but encouraged, all under the cover of clan loyalty.

abaayo, are you looma oyaan?

[fighter]

The only people who's forgiveness the rest of us should be worried about are the marginalized, oppressed & stigmatized masses that we conveniently dub "minority clans". They took the brunt of the civil war, suffered in humiliation, watched helplessly as the little they owned was either looted or razed to the ground. They still suffer and have no one to fend for them, but themselves. If you're Daarood, Hawiye or Isaaq, shut the fuck up. Somalia burns because of all the injustices that is not only accepted, but encouraged, all under the cover of clan loyalty.

Everyone suffered; not just the minorities. We shouldn't measure who got the worst treatment because that is useless. All that does is create problems.

Every man, woman and child suffered.

[Colonel]

after the recent possible discovery of oil in puntland, all the hawiye want forgiveness. coincidence?

[Avicenna]

The only people who's forgiveness the rest of us should be worried about are the marginalized, oppressed & stigmatized masses that we conveniently dub "minority clans". They took the brunt of the civil war, suffered in humiliation, watched helplessly as the little they owned was either looted or razed to the ground. They still suffer and have no one to fend for them, but themselves. If you're Daarood, Hawiye or Isaaq, shut the fuck up. Somalia burns because of all the injustices that is not only accepted, but encouraged, all under the cover of clan loyalty.

Everyone suffered; not just the minorities. We shouldn't measure who got the worst treatment because that is useless. All that does is create problems.

Every man, woman and child suffered.

The difference between us and the marginalized is that they neither asked for it, nor took part it.

It was brought to them, at the barrel of the gun and forced to accept it as the norm.

Have you never heard of collective guilt? All of us are guilty. We either supported the war (s), took part in it, welcomed it, did nothing to stop it or excused it.

[BlackVelvet]

The only people who's forgiveness the rest of us should be worried about are the marginalized, oppressed & stigmatized masses that we conveniently dub "minority clans". They took the brunt of the civil war, suffered in humiliation, watched helplessly as the little they owned was either looted or razed to the ground. They still suffer and have no one to fend for them, but themselves. If you're Daarood, Hawiye or Isaaq, shut the fuck up. Somalia burns because of all the injustices that is not only accepted, but encouraged, all under the cover of clan loyalty.

Everyone suffered; not just the minorities. We shouldn't measure who got the worst treatment because that is useless. All that does is create problems.

Every man, woman and child suffered.

The difference between us and the marginalized is that they neither asked for it, nor took part it.

It was brought to them, at the barrel of the gun and forced to accept it as the norm.

Have you never heard of collective guilt? All of us are guilty. We either supported the war (s), took part in it, welcomed it, did nothing to stop it or excused it.

That is a fair point.

None of the other qabiils really have a foot to stand on when it comes to the blame game.

[greenday]

Some need to be given diyo

[Avicenna]

BV - It's not even about blame, it's about taking a moment to look around and see the mess we're in. We always talk about Somalia's situation and what needs to be done to fix it. It's simple. Start with yourself and accept what a primitive & divisive clan mentality really is. Accept that most of us are part of the problem and prioritize. We just need to ask of ourselves very basic questions i.e. "what has my clan collectively done for me, as an individual for me to adore them to the point of obsession?", "what has that other clan that I spew so much hatered against collectively done to me, as an individual?", "what do I hope to achieve by constantly beating my chest for my clan do for me, as an individual?", etc. When your brain fails you, you're pretty much fucked, really. My clan is my clan, and I am my own person. My actions are my own responsibility and theirs, their own. It's as simple as that. Forgiveness has an equation and it starts with us. It's so embarrassing to be so stuck on such an archaic ideology on the global scale, for so long too.

[Xamud.]

No need for forgiveness.

[Alphanumeric]

time, that is all. infusion of global knowledge and information will put an end to it. forgiveness isn't a factor. individual prosperity through subsistence and education. a generation of hateful people need to pass, and their ideals will die with them.

[Rainbows]

time, that is all. infusion of global knowledge and information will put an end to it. forgiveness isn't a factor. individual prosperity through subsistence and education. a generation of hateful people need to pass, and their ideals will die with them.

Unfortunately that will never happen.

Face it, Somali history before the short period between 1960 - 1991 and after has been nothing but violence.