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grandpakhalif wrote:No I don't it's not my job to make takfir, nor am I a takfiri. This person is most likely ignorant, just like me as I used to believe and was brainwashed by educational institutes that the earth orbits the sun.

People like you who despite the Quranic/Sunnah evidence refuse to believe this then you are from the people of innovation and corruption.

Start from 3:45 and a Iraqi scientist explains the nature of the sun orbit

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Do you also agree with the man in the video when he says the Earth is flat?

gramps is high again.

Guys, there is no reason to mock grandpa's deeply held beliefs.

No the man is mistaken in regards to the Earth's shape it is round as the majority of the uluma say so:

s the Earth Round or Flat?

Introduction: The following letter reached the program (broadcast program) from Kenya, sent by our brother, the student, Ibraheem Muhammad Al-Awwal. The brother says, "I heard the program Nurun 'alad-Darb (A Light upon the Path) and I benefited greatly from it. Therefore, I wanted to send these questions to you all because their topics are very perplexing to me. The first is: Is the earth round or flat?"

The Shaikh: According to the people knowledge (scholars of Islaam) the earth is round, for indeed Ibn Hazim and a group of other scholars mentioned that there is a consensus (unanimous agreement, Ijmaa') among the people of knowledge that it is round. This means that all of it is connected together thus making the form of the entire planet like a ball. However, Allaah has spread out surface for us and He has placed firm mountains upon it and placed the animals and the seas upon it as a mercy for us. For this reason, Allaah said: "And (do they not look) at the Earth, how it was made FLAT (Sutihat)." [Al-Ghaashiyyah (88):20]

I agree with Grandpa.

If the Sheikhs says the Sun revolves around our flat Earth, then it does. Who are scientists to question our Culuma?

Also, we can save a shitload of money leeching people instead of going to those so called "doctors", especially when nearly all of our illnesses are a result of bad humors.

The next logical step is to obviously throw away our computers and communicate via smoke signals and/or pigeons

GK
Your'e still worth 1000 Uncle Rucki though

ibn hazm died in 1064

back when others were looking for the ends of the earth

[quote="grandpakhalif"]No the man is mistaken in regards to the Earth's shape it is round as the majority of the uluma say so:

s the Earth Round or Flat?

Introduction: The following letter reached the program (broadcast program) from Kenya, sent by our brother, the student, Ibraheem Muhammad Al-Awwal. The brother says, "I heard the program Nurun 'alad-Darb (A Light upon the Path) and I benefited greatly from it. Therefore, I wanted to send these questions to you all because their topics are very perplexing to me. The first is: Is the earth round or flat?"

The Shaikh: According to the people knowledge (scholars of Islaam) the earth is round, for indeed Ibn Hazim and a group of other scholars mentioned that there is a consensus (unanimous agreement, Ijmaa') among the people of knowledge that it is round. This means that all of it is connected together thus making the form of the entire planet like a ball. However, Allaah has spread out surface for us and He has placed firm mountains upon it and placed the animals and the seas upon it as a mercy for us. For this reason, Allaah said: "And (do they not look) at the Earth, how it was made FLAT (Sutihat)." [Al-Ghaashiyyah (88):20]

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How can you reach that conclusion when you admitted you know nothing.

When it comes to selective quotation, you are the man.

Alphanumeric wrote:ibn hazm died in 1064

back when others were looking for the ends of the earth

By the 9th century, many Muslims in Al-Andalus believed that the Earth was flat, as mentioned in the works of the Ancient Greeks. But scholars like Ibn Hazm asserted that the Earth was a sphere, he is known to have started his debate by stating verses from the Quran: "He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night" (Zumar;5). And after detailed studies using celestial globes he concluded proof, and the now astronomer Ibn Hazm stated publicly stated that: "the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth". Ibn Hazm proof inspired generations later on including the geographer al-Idrisi, who depicted the world as a globe.

Yet he was far infront of your heroe Galileo

Kukri you realize I put you on my ignore list a while ago?

my?

The Islamic world was once the pinnacle of civilization, world renowned for its relative progressivism and prolific scientific output.

I'm not sure what happened along the way, but these last few centuries have truly been our Dark Ages. With this type of thinking, we can look forward to another millennia or so of Western domination while some of us are still arguing for a geocentric model. While we were busy debating the merits of the various madhabs and obscure hadiths, the West underwent the Industrial revolution, colonized most of the known world, developed weapons of mass destruction while we were using spears &swords, and are now debating on how best to colonize the f-king moon.

It's apparent that our degeneracy is a direct consequence of the abandonment of science, and not religion. We've become accessories to our own rape

Based wrote:The Islamic world was once the pinnacle of civilization, world renowned for its relative progressivism and prolific scientific output.

I'm not sure what happened along the way, but these last few centuries have truly been our Dark Ages. With this type of thinking, we can look forward to another millennia or so of Western domination while some of us are still arguing for a geocentric model. While we were busy debating the merits of the various madhabs and obscure hadiths, the West underwent the Industrial revolution, colonized most of the known world, developed weapons of mass destruction while we were using spears &swords, and are now debating on how best to colonize the f-king moon.

It's apparent that our degeneracy is a direct consequence of the abandonment of science, and not religion. We've become accessories to our own rape

Who cares Allah will give us jannah. Those illustrious cities won't save them from the fire.

Based wrote:The Islamic world was once the pinnacle of civilization, world renowned for its relative progressivism and prolific scientific output.

I'm not sure what happened along the way, but these last few centuries have truly been our Dark Ages. With this type of thinking, we can look forward to another millennia or so of Western domination while some of us are still arguing for a geocentric model. While we were busy debating the merits of the various madhabs and obscure hadiths, the West underwent the Industrial revolution, colonized most of the known world, developed weapons of mass destruction while we were using spears &swords, and are now debating on how best to colonize the f-king moon.

It's apparent that our degeneracy is a direct consequence of the abandonment of science, and not religion. We've become accessories to our own rape

your avatar makes this insightful post gibberish

The decline of the Muslim world is because there are too many grandpakhalif's and sameeras

and not enough

well me