are we iriir or are we banu hashim? i'm confused!

[CaynabaX]

Grandpa that's the main Suldaan of duuriyada Suldaan Maxamed as you see he counts 20 from the Sheekh, gacanyare counts 22/23 I think, and I count 21.

[Rabshoole]

The topic opener is daarood his name nigis kaladh badane
He is not an isaaq nor is he a dir or irir

Is it that pinky troll oo awrtable ah ?

[Khalid Ali]

Waar gacanyare Ciidagale xoog ayaay suldaanimada ku haystaan, we all know the first SULTAN of duuriyada was a descendant of AXMED - TOLJECLO.

Blaim Habar Magaadle.

Habar xabusheed failed to lead Isaaq

Sultaan Guleed led us into victory

Dhuux baraar asked for the eyes of the Beautiful daughter of Nuux Ismacil

[Khalid Ali]

The topic opener is daarood his name nigis kaladh badane
He is not an isaaq nor is he a dir or irir

Is it that pinky troll oo awrtable ah ?

War rabshoole garan mayoo niyo habeen wa majeerteen aroorti wa dhulbahante galabti habarjeclo noqda ma garanyo mala makhribki wa awrtable

[Khalid Ali]

No grandpa i started with the Current isaaq Sultan Sultaan Maxammad that's his name

[grandpakhalif]

Interesting, very interesting, thanks for the information.

where did this irir nonsense come from then?

[Khalid Ali]

Interesting, very interesting, thanks for the information.

where did this irir nonsense come from then?

it was a political alliance between Sh ali jimcaale the Xawaadle politician and the late president Cigaal, it was called irirism this was in the early 60s.

As Dharbaaxo jin said in his poems

Mogadisho iyo hargeysaan islaha walaaleeh Labada meelood eh

[KyrieJama]

you are not irir nor are you Banu hashim

You are Jeberti accept you're identity

He aint Darood either he prolly Hawiye, they produce wackos like this dude

[Rabshoole]

The topic opener is daarood his name nigis kaladh badane
He is not an isaaq nor is he a dir or irir

Is it that pinky troll oo awrtable ah ?

War rabshoole garan mayoo niyo habeen wa majeerteen aroorti wa dhulbahante galabti habarjeclo noqda ma garanyo mala makhribki wa awrtable

Hadey sa tahay, dhakada ka karbashaa jabertiga wareersan

[CaynabaX]

Waar gacanyare Ciidagale xoog ayaay suldaanimada ku haystaan, we all know the first SULTAN of duuriyada was a descendant of AXMED - TOLJECLO.

Blaim Habar Magaadle.

Habar xabusheed failed to lead Isaaq

Sultaan Guleed led us into victory

Dhuux baraar asked for the eyes of the Beautiful daughter of Nuux Ismacil

If Tol Jeclo didn't had that huge war around the late 1600s among themselves after boqorkii passed away they wouldn't be a langaab today and wouldn't be overthrown by the langaab ciidagale at that time and wouldn't live among with the Sacad Muse next to the local marfish in Jigjiga Yar. War ninyow gacanyare xoog ayaa ku haysaan Suldaanimada it irritates me.

[Khalid Ali]

The habar xabusheed were bad leaders they started a fight that they could not win they wanted to habar xabushize everything this was stopped by all the other isaaqs particulary the habr magaadles. also Boqor dhuux baraar had many non Isaaq and non Somali , fighters we overthrew him and made Caaqil Abdi ciise the caaqil of the isaaq tribal family. War niyo dhuux baraar wuxu aha nin axmaq ah Muxu dad inaga dilay ninkasu.


Rabshoole war Nigis kaladh badane ,, Daarood waxba loma odhan karo see maha ba qof jira wa isku kee keeen.

Garad 13 well he claimed more darod subclans than he did isaaq, but that itself could be a disguise to hide his real identity

war yaa og war niyo dunida waxan ugu necebahay sheeegaatos

[Barkhadd]

I count 34 to Darood and then 12 to Abdul-mutalib 34+12= 46 (Cabdirixmaan Bin Ismaciil Bin Ibrahim Bin Cabdrixmaan Bin Maxamed Bin Abdisamad Bin Xambal Bin Mahdi Bin Ahmed Bin Abdalle Bin Maxamed Bin Aqiil Bin Abu-talib Bin Abdul-Mutalib )

Grandpa Khaliif oo Darod ahi wuxuu sheegtay Bin Abu Talib as his great-great grandfather (see above for Grandpa's lineage) and then The_Empror5 oo Isaaq ahi wuxuu sheegtay the same Bin Abu Talib as his great-great grandfather (see below for The_Empror5's lineage)

Here is the Abtiris of the royal isaaq Family

1Sultan Maxammad
2Sultan Abdulqadir
3Sultan Cabdulahi
4Sultan Diiriye
5Sultan xassan
6Sultan Farax
7Sultan Guleed
8Caaqil Cabdi
9 binCiise
10Bin Dhamal
11Bin Adan
12Bin Xusseyn
13Bin Abubakr
14Bin Ibrahim
15Bin Cabdalle
16Bin Cabdiraxmaan
17Bin Muse
18Bin Daud
19Bin ismacil Garxajis
20 Bin Sheikh isxaaq
21Bin Axmed
22bin Muxammad
23bin Huseen
24bin Ali
25bin Hamza al madhar
26bin Ayub
27bin qasim
28bin Yahya al suufi
29bin Huseen al faasii
30bin Muxamad
31bin musa
32bin yahya
33bin Iisa
34bin Ali al taqi
35bin mahamad al muthani
36bin Hasan al caskarii al saqiir
37bin jafar al zaki
38bin Ali al Hadi
39bin Muxammad al jawad
40bin Ali al Ridda
41bin musa al kathem
42bin Jafar al sadiq
43bin maxamad al baqir
44bin cali zayen al Abudiin
45bin al Huseen
46bin al imaam Ali
47Bin Abu Talib

GrandpaKhaliif oo Daarood ahi wuxuu sheegtay Bin Abu Talib as his great-great grandfather
The_Empror5 oo Isaaq ahi wuxuu sheegtay the same Bin Abu Talib as his great-great grandfather

Markaa ma awoow/adeer ayay Darood u yihiin Isaaq? James Dahl's study also shows what I've noticed

[James Dahl]

If Isaaq and Dir and Daarood and Hawiye are all descended from Aqeel ibn Abu Talib, why don't Somalis look like Arabs and only speak Arabic?

Also Daarood abtirsi is shorter nowadays than it used to be.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I wouldn't take this stuff seriously. The "Isaaq descends from Banu Hashim" myth is no different from the Romans claiming descent from the mythical trojan Aeneas.

[SahanGalbeed]

If Isaaq and Dir and Daarood and Hawiye are all descended from Aqeel ibn Abu Talib, why don't Somalis look like Arabs and only speak Arabic?

Also Daarood abtirsi is shorter nowadays than it used to be.

Very pertinent point , to which i can only asnwer , some sense of direction is better than no sense of direction

Jazakallahu khayran