Your suggestions on how to give/claim back stolen property

[Osob101]

Greenday

Inshallah walaashia everyone will get their legitimate property back. Qofka xaqiisa lagama xaqiirow eebaaye. wixi state property ah waa la yaqaan iyo wixi dad iska lahaa.

[Voltage]

Come on voltage, we always talk about stolen properties after the war, why cant we talk about the pre war ones for a change, both happened and since peace is near will have to deal with this

Because it is a false equivalence. I will not tell you everyone pre-1991 owned properties or get them Halal and of course if there is anyone proven to have gotten it wrongfully, it would highly hypocritical of me to say they cannot be touched but to compare that to the total, absolute, and universal looting of Darod properties in Mogadishu whether they were pro-government or not is an absolute false equivalence and you will never see anyone try to compare the two in legitimate mainstream discussions.

[Rabshoole]

Rabshoole

When the ICU came in paper they gave some people their homes back without paper because the neighbors vouched for it. Dadka badaana waaye ka dhumaan papers.

Saas ahaan waa war la gartay laakin ogow mar mar weey dhici karta diriiskada xata inuu kugu maqarti furi kara inaad la heen guriga ad sheeganeysid hadey uun leyska warqabin, nevertheless having good neighbors does a play into it sometimes. majority of Somalis oo dareeray qaxii guriyaashoda arimahiis weey la socodaan. when peace finally settles, I wonder how exactly these ordeals will be resolved.

[greenday]

Come on voltage, we always talk about stolen properties after the war, why cant we talk about the pre war ones for a change, both happened and since peace is near will have to deal with this

Because it is a false equivalence. I will not tell you everyone pre-1991 owned properties or get them Halal and of course if there is anyone proven to have gotten it wrongfully, it would highly hypocritical of me to say they cannot be touched but to compare that to the total, absolute, and universal looting of Darod properties in Mogadishu whether they were pro-government or not is an absolute false equivalence and you will never see anyone try to compare the two in legitimate mainstream discussions.

Its not only a xamar thing its just common sense that people who are close to a dictator will most likely have benefited from lands being given out, that along with musuqmasuq will mean that there are lots of land in the wrong hand and some may not even be aware that their fathers land is not his. As long as you are fine with it being given back then we are cool, as for properties after the war; how to claim it or people claiming back needs no awareness since its all that Somalis talk about. But the this does.

[Advo]

Well the properties of our families and extended families are in good hands, decent god fearing people have been looking over the property (land, houses) since the qax . Everyone will get their property back either through producing papers or as people mentioned through the verification of neighbors. All this dowladii kacaanka stealing property in mogdisho and unfairly distributed to "chosen" clans is either very rare or just sick figment of imagination and nothing else. Even if some people acquired land wrongfully, it will simply go to the government and not the self appointed "squatters" if u know what I mean.

Serious question, after the qax are there any hawiye people who lost property?

[Voltage]

As ironic as it sounds yes Advo. I know a HG brother who told me his family's house was in a majority Abgaal neighborhood and so they had to abandon that to them during the greenline and it is still occupied by Abgaal

I am sure the Abgaal, Murusade, Xawaadle, etc can all each have stories too

[Happy Desperado]

Serious question, after the qax are there any hawiye people who lost property?

You are a Mareexaan from Cabudwaaq/Gedo area and you have family that is living in your properties. Do you think a HG, Abgaal or any other Hawiye who left after the war will be unable to find family to live in their properties in Xamar?

[greenday]

The only thing i dont get is why people refuse to believe or say its only a minority that were given land Everyone knows dhul dad lasiiye, there can not be land oonan dad la'heen in a magaalo, even badiya xoola dhaqan qofaa leh, you cant go to badiyo and build something on it

[Happy Desperado]

Green when talking to people you need to know if it is someone you can level with who is willing to be objective about the topic. Lakin this is the kind of person you are trying to reason with:

Now that you say so I realize I will never say a single bad thing about President Mohammed Siad Barre, nor will I ever have anything good to say about USC, SNM, SSDF, nor will I ever think a single positive thing about Caydiid. And I am very well satisfied in my position.

To admit that there was land grabbing without playing down the magnitude of it, is to admit that Siyaad Bare and his administration were corrupt. That is bad. So that will not be admitted. Marka don't waste your breath it is a lost cause, trust me.


Disclaimer: Voltage this is me giving advice to Greenday, you don't need to defend yourself to me you are entitled to your opinions.

[Advo]

Serious question, after the qax are there any hawiye people who lost property?

You are a Mareexaan from Cabudwaaq/Gedo area and you have family that is living in your properties. Do you think a HG, Abgaal or any other Hawiye who left after the war will be unable to find family to live in their properties in Xamar?

I am not sure if I understood your point but the people who are looking after our property are hawiye family friends, however no blood ties.

[Adali]

The only thing i dont get is why people refuse to believe or say its only a minority that were given land Everyone knows dhul dad lasiiye, there can not be land oonan dad la'heen in a magaalo, even badiya xoola dhaqan qofaa leh, you cant go to badiyo and build something on it

Yes darling, the Somali government also stole the Baadiyo the Bad and of course Webiga, not to mention shimbiraha.

are you hearing yourself ?? utterly disgraceful.

[Osob101]

Well the properties of our families and extended families are in good hands, decent god fearing people have been looking over the property (land, houses) since the qax . Everyone will get their property back either through producing papers or as people mentioned through the verification of neighbors. All this dowladii kacaanka stealing property in mogdisho and unfairly distributed to "chosen" clans is either very rare or just sick figment of imagination and nothing else. Even if some people acquired land wrongfully, it will simply go to the government and not the self appointed "squatters" if u know what I mean.

Serious question, after the qax are there any hawiye people who lost property?

offcourse waa jiraan every single Somali Qabil lost something in the war of Xamar. Anyways meeshan buufis haa isku ridinaa hadaad gurigeeda hardwork ku gadaataye qof kaa leh ma leh, laakin idinka greenday maa fahmin ayaa uma maleena, she is talking about dad dhul iyo guryo xaq daro ku helaaye marke dawladi kacaan jiirtaaye waana ruun because abkowgaaye ayaa dhul badaan xoog loga qadaaye meesha la yiraa booli qaran.

[Happy Desperado]

Serious question, after the qax are there any hawiye people who lost property?

You are a Mareexaan from Cabudwaaq/Gedo area and you have family that is living in your properties. Do you think a HG, Abgaal or any other Hawiye who left after the war will be unable to find family to live in their properties in Xamar?

I am not sure if I understood your point but the people who are looking after our property are hawiye family friends, however no blood ties.

Most people have other people looking after their homes, if you have hawiye families/friends looking after yours so do the Hawiyes and Dir and D&M who are not living there.

[Advo]

Osob, I know greenday has a clean heart but you also have to understand this is a touchy subject since that argument will be used by some to justify the property they grabbed post 91.

HP, I am assuming the qabiils u mentioned left the city out of choice and appointed people to look after their belongings, they weren't chased out like some.

[AbdiWahab252]

Spoils of war must be left alone. I am not going to weep about the family's properties in Bulo Xawo and Ceelwaq. Its all forgot. They took Bulow Xawo and Ceelwaq and we took lambar 4.