Habits, their formation & the 30 day rule!

[Beans]

I meant to comment on this earlier today and didnt.

Do many people ever reach the peak of the pyramid?

[Lillaahiya]

People in general.

You say it because you believe most people are too busy trying to attain the basics or because most of us have not cognitively reached there?

I'm just regurgitating what I've heard walaal

[Alphanumeric]

I see. So it's an organization of importance relative to the person? People are generally following the pattern of hierarchy through basic need and growth?

What of the limitation of particular higher level cognitive needs? What of one who feels the need of transcendence, but knows for certain he doesn't meet his own needs?

I think it needs reorganization.

[Avicenna]

I meant to comment on this earlier today and didnt.

Do many people ever reach the peak of the pyramid?

Yes. Most of us in Western societies do. People with financial security & who's basic needs have been met naturally do get there. This is why white people go throw themselves over cliffs in Peru and climb mount Everest.

They seek something beyond the basic.

I see. So it's an organization of importance relative to the person? People are generally following the pattern of hierarchy through basic need and growth?

What of the limitation of particular higher level cognitive needs? What of one who feels the need of transcendence, but knows for certain he doesn't meet his own needs?

I think it needs reorganization.

The original hierarchy was formulated over a half century ago, its been expanded since then. But, general rule of thumb is still the same i.e. basic needs must be first & foremost before self-gratification & actualization can be met. It's common sense too. How can someone who's hungry & doesn't have a roof over his head be concerned about his artistic needs? So, yes - they do have an importance in the hierarchy. As you can see, the hierarchy is largest at the bottom, because this is the most crucial human need i.e. physiological, followed by the other basic needs. Children thrive on nurturing & acceptance/belonging, if denied, they will always work to seek it in one way or another, this may even cause them to suffer from inferiority complex according to Adler's personality theory. He was a personality psychologist who rejected Freud's biological claims about human personality. Transcendence always meets limitations, this may cause depression & substance abuse, might even explain why gifted artists & writers were always troubled.

[Colonel]

Good grief how many books did Avicenna write in this thread?

[Alphanumeric]

Transcendence always meets limitations, this may cause depression & substance abuse, might even explain why gifted artists & writers were always troubled.

Transcendence? As in the desire to help others? I don't understand why that would cause one to turn to substance abuse or develop depression. I think that comes from the basic need of love and belonging. Or, perhaps if transcendence here refers to a further understanding of existence and being, it may agreeable.

[Avicenna]

Her's Adler's personality types theory:

Adler (1956) developed a scheme of so-called personality types. These 'types' are to be taken as provisional or heuristic since he did not, in essence, believe in personality types. The danger with typology is to lose sight of the individual's uniqueness and to gaze reductively, acts that Adler opposed. Nevertheless, he intended to illustrate patterns that could denote a characteristic governed under the overall style of life. Hence American Adlerians such as Harold Mosak have made use of Adler's typology in this provisional sense:
1. The Getting or Leaning type are those who selfishly take without giving back. These people also tend to be antisocial and have low activity levels.
2. The Avoiding types are those that hate being defeated. They may be successful, but have not taken any risks getting there. They are likely to have low social contact in fear of rejection or defeat in any way.
3. The Ruling or Dominant type strive for power and are willing to manipulate situations and people, anything to get their way. People of this type are also prone to anti-social behavior.
4. The Socially Useful types are those who are very outgoing and very active. They have a lot of social contact and strive to make changes for the good.

Transcendence always meets limitations, this may cause depression & substance abuse, might even explain why gifted artists & writers were always troubled.

Transcendence? As in the desire to help others? I don't understand why that would cause one to turn to substance abuse or develop depression. I think that comes from the basic need of love and belonging. Or, perhaps if transcendence here refers to a further understanding of existence and being, it may agreeable.

I answered from the perspective of wanting to be more than what self-actualization permits, then meeting limitations.

The desire to help others is a trait developed early in childhood, no? Most of us are stuck with our personalities from childhood, in rare circumstances does it change. Its very fulfilling, but how does it become transcendence?

[Beans]

We reach the peak and celebrate it by killing ourselves? Got ya.

[Alphanumeric]

I think I know which personality type I am

Transcendence always meets limitations, this may cause depression & substance abuse, might even explain why gifted artists & writers were always troubled.

Transcendence? As in the desire to help others? I don't understand why that would cause one to turn to substance abuse or develop depression. I think that comes from the basic need of love and belonging. Or, perhaps if transcendence here refers to a further understanding of existence and being, it may agreeable.

I answered from the perspective of wanting to be more than what self-actualization permits, then meeting limitations.

The desire to help others is a trait developed early in childhood, no? Most of us are stuck with our personalities from childhood, in rare circumstances does it change. Its very fulfilling, but how does it become transcendence?

One of the first traits of transcendence the video touched on was the need to help others. It also spoke on furthering one's understanding of the universe and our place in it. I think transcendental need here is one of belief. Is this what you meant by "more than what self-actualization permits"?

[grandpakhalif]

What if reaching self-actualization is a feat which is near-impossible? I want to become the most powerful Saiyan in the universe.

[Alphanumeric]

What if reaching self-actualization is a feat which is near-impossible? I want to become the most powerful Saiyan in the universe.

I think that speaks more the "esteem" than self-actualization.

[Beans]

Never believed in the whole personality type crap.

[SultanOrder]

I've always assumed habits were actions the body and brain found enjoyable, urging you to repeat it.

Not neccessarily. One can make a habit of anything, so long as your consistent in it for long enough. If you were to come in the house deliberately with your right foot first, do it long enough and it will become a habit. Some habits due to doing it continually can become pleasurable. For example, if you were to set a time every night, to do dhikr, and you were to do it continuously, you will start to consistently find great pleasure in doing that after some time, according to the sufi gnostics. You should read Imam Ghazali in developing virtuous habits and removing harmful habits and the benefits resulting from it.

[Alphanumeric]

Some habits due to doing it continually can become pleasurable.

This is what I was referring to. The act, regardless of its physiological benefit, will produce dependency in the body and mind, creating a habit. I guess "enjoyable" was a stretch.

You should read Imam Ghazali in developing virtuous habits and removing harmful habits and the benefits resulting from it.

I'll look into it.

[fighter]

Maslow's hierarchy of needs is very flawed and ethnocentric which does not take into consideration of other societies (other than of course Maslow's own). I call it the Individualist hierarchy of needs. It totally neglects societies that are collectivist.

And on top of that, you don't need friends. You don't need to "respect by others" or "respect of others". You don't need morality. You don't need a lot of what Maslow suggest to achieve self-actualization