death and life

[Alphanumeric]

I didn't know Snet had scholars.

There are plenty hadeeths that support what's being shared.

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/47055/soul

[Hyperactive]

okay this im answering both Alpha and bv. in this aayah:


اللَّهُ يَتَوَفَّى الْأَنْفُسَ حِينَ مَوْتِهَا وَالَّتِي لَمْ تَمُتْ فِي مَنَامِهَا فَيُمْسِكُ الَّتِي قَضَى عَلَيْهَا الْمَوْتَ وَيُرْسِلُ الْأُخْرَى إِلَى أَجَلٍ مُسَمًّى إِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ" الزمر42

ibn kather and also tabari, accually all are the same with little wording differences. that every night when you sleep the roohs (souls) death and alive, go around and socialize together, (there is details but not neccassery now) and then when you wake up your rooh back to your body and the one you were socializing who are dead , Allah hold them (yaqbeth). keep in mind; ibn katheer say in his tafseer, you still have "nafs" but your roo7 is up with death socializing!!

isnt scary that your own soul, goes its way to socialize with other souls, while your bosy and nafs sleeping and come back when you ready to wake up!! it's interesting opinion/thoughts of his. one needs huge imagination to coup with it.

[LaY-D_LicK]

I didn't know Snet had scholars.

There are plenty hadeeths that support what's being shared.

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/47055/soul

This remind me of a story where a early predecessor had a grave in his back yard and he would lie in it to increase his imaan ...

[dorkette]

Hyper, you're alot braver than I am, that is for sure, never been to a grave, not even my mothers, unfortunately!!mostly due to circumstances beyond my control!

[AgentOfChaos]

I didn't know Snet had scholars.

There are plenty hadeeths that support what's being shared.

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/47055/soul

WHOA! You mean people here know how to use google?!

[Hyperactive]

I didn't know Snet had scholars.

i dont know either but this is just normal discussion and has nothing to do being scholars. im just facinated about deaths lives and just go my way to make sense of what i studied in schools and books in my curriculum which is im neither agreeing or disagreeing it.

Alpha, i just dont like any answer online. it's much easy for me, to pick up books about that topic and sleep on it and discuss with my profs, dad, uncle etc.

[BlackVelvet]

Hyper I've heard that before, it's very interesting. I guess we'll all know once we die.

btw do you know what happens to people who didn't believe in Allah when they die? Do they still go through punishment of the grave and stuff. I could google it lakin maybe this is revision for you.

I didn't know Snet had scholars.

There are plenty hadeeths that support what's being shared.

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/47055/soul

WHOA! You mean people here know how to use google?!

[AgentOfChaos]

I didn't know Snet had scholars.

i dont know either but this is just normal discussion and has nothing to do being scholars. im just facinated about deaths lives and just go my way to make sense of what i studied in schools and books in my curriculum which is im neither agreeing or disagreeing it.

Fair enough.

[Hyperactive]

Hyper, you're alot braver than I am, that is for sure, never been to a grave, not even my mothers, unfortunately!!mostly due to circumstances beyond my control!

nothing to scare of it. they cannot even help themselves. i go there to pray death if there is janaaza every friday and khamees and just walk between graves and some times put sand on it if i feel it washed out by wind. talk to them, accualy talk to my self in that case.

[Alphanumeric]

Yeah actually it makes sense. So the ruux is absent the whole time after death but the nafs (from what Alpha said, the heart and your conscience and the part that was making all those decisions) will be in the grave answering for its choices good and bad.

This is not what I said.

The body is in the grave after death. The soul is taken up by angels and questioned by Allah. The angels return the soul to the body and then you are questioned by Munkar and Nakeer. I never mentioned nafs, to this regard.

Whether or not nafs is separate from the body, or is even in the process, I don't know. Does nafs exist after death? When it comes to Judgement Day, and people are running to the Prophets for help, most of them will say "nafsi, nafsi", 'myself, myself'. I don't know if this is just a linguist thing, or if it's literal.

okay this im answering both Alpha and bv. in this aayah:


اللَّهُ يَتَوَفَّى الْأَنْفُسَ حِينَ مَوْتِهَا وَالَّتِي لَمْ تَمُتْ فِي مَنَامِهَا فَيُمْسِكُ الَّتِي قَضَى عَلَيْهَا الْمَوْتَ وَيُرْسِلُ الْأُخْرَى إِلَى أَجَلٍ مُسَمًّى إِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ لَآيَاتٍ لِقَوْمٍ يَتَفَكَّرُونَ" الزمر42

ibn kather and also tabari, accually all are the same with little wording differences. that every night when you sleep the roohs (souls) death and alive, go around and socialize together, (there is details but not neccassery now) and then when you wake up your rooh back to your body and the one you were socializing who are dead , Allah hold them (yaqbeth). keep in mind; ibn katheer say in his tafseer, you still have "nafs" but your roo7 is up with death socializing!!

isnt scary that your own soul, goes its way to socialize with other souls, while your bosy and nafs sleeping and come back when you ready to wake up!! it's interesting opinion/thoughts of his. one needs huge imagination to coup with it.

Yeah, the souls of the sleeping can mingle with those that are dead. Souls are not limited to the bodies, that much I know. This aspect is also why I said trying to physically divulge more information can be dangerous. Which it likely is.

[Alphanumeric]

I didn't know Snet had scholars.

There are plenty hadeeths that support what's being shared.

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/47055/soul

WHOA! You mean people here know how to use google?!

I don't think there's anything wrong with discussion. Certainly not about death and the grave, which is greatly encouraged to be remembered and discussed.

[dorkette]

Hyper, you're alot braver than I am, that is for sure, never been to a grave, not even my mothers, unfortunately!!mostly due to circumstances beyond my control!

nothing to scare of it. they cannot even help themselves. i go there to pray death if there is janaaza every friday and khamees and just walk between graves and some times put sand on it if i feel it washed out by wind. talk to them, accualy talk to my self in that case.

I know, but I'm still afraid, I think I have a weak heart lol

Check your PM, I have to ask you something.

[Hyperactive]

Alpha it's dangerous and maybe that why Allah said in quran what it means you know about it very little. but still one questions and imaginations goes from time to time.

BV there is different saying about it: some say they are punished in the qabri........that goes to other details
some riwayad say: they are in kind of place in barjaq (wall between dunya and aakhira) that human cannot go back, just it's one way road. and testing some kind of punishment. some say is not real hell but they are suffering state of unhappiness. Allah a3lam.

[Alphanumeric]

Hyper I've heard that before, it's very interesting. I guess we'll all know once we die.

btw do you know what happens to people who didn't believe in Allah when they die? Do they still go through punishment of the grave and stuff. I could google it lakin maybe this is revision for you.

Everyone goes through the process of death. There's is a difference in the angels who take up the soul, what's said to and about the soul as it passes through the gates of each jannah, the physical description of the souls (scent mainly), what the souls are shrouded in as they're taken up, and what Allah Says about the souls. The process of the grave is also similar. Munkar and Nakeer do the questioning. Of course, after the questioning the grave is different between the kafir/bad muslim and the good muslim.

Whether or not the mursaleen and shuhadah are questioned in the grave, I don't know. Maybe hyper will add more.

Alpha it's dangerous and maybe that why Allah said in quran what it means you know about it very little. but still one questions and imaginations goes from time to time.

BV there is different saying about it: some say they are punished in the qabri........that goes to other details
some riwayad say: they are in kind of place in barjaq (wall between dunya and aakhira) that human cannot go back, just it's one way road. and testing some kind of punishment. some say is not real hell but they are suffering state of unhappiness. Allah a3lam.

Yeah, it likely is dangerous. Which is why I'm refraining from discussing what I think about it lol.

Barzaq? I have ideas about that as well. I assumed it was everything after death, where one cannot return from, or enter. Now, I have questions about what this actually means. If souls of the sleeping can mingle with souls of the dead, does that mean the barzaq is physically closed on both sides, or is the barzaq a place that should never be entered intentionally, rather than cannot?

[AgentOfChaos]

There are plenty hadeeths that support what's being shared.

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/47055/soul

WHOA! You mean people here know how to use google?!

I don't think there's anything wrong with discussion. Certainly not about death and the grave, which is greatly encouraged to be remembered and discussed.

I haven't said otherwise, and I agree with you.