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Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:01 pm
by Alphanumeric
The Japanese model would be interesting.
But we're talking about a government that's facing internal treason, in a country of little security, about a people who hate each other because of who they were born to. So I don't know. It might only escalate tensions.
BlackVelvet wrote:
fighter wrote:That is how it should always be.
Does it feel wrong saying it's a bad thing sine your country allows it?
He didn't say it's wrong. I think.
Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:03 pm
by Estarix
If you have a Somali father regardless of where you were born you are entitled to a citizenship.
Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:16 pm
by grandpakhalif
I think any clan that has settlements within the demarcated Somalia borders deserves to be a Somali citizen. We shouldn't given citizenship to illegal aliens like the Garre or Degodiye.
Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:16 pm
by Khalid Ali
Grandpa garre and degodia are Somali People if A Merehaan from kenya can be a citizen of Somalia so can a Garre
Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:20 pm
by fighter
BlackVelvet wrote:Does it feel wrong saying it's a bad thing sine your country allows it?
Alphanumeric wrote:He didn't say it's wrong. I think.
It is wrong if Somalia didn't give citizenship to anyone born within its jurisidiction. I remember when I had to volunteer for a hospital and I met a lady who just delivered a boy. The lady was from Spain and she and her husband were tourists. The lady was a month or so early delivering her baby. I remember the hospital staff saying their boy is a Canadian citizenship even though they were just tourists. They were really confused
Then there is that story of that baby born in "Canadian Airspace" and was given citizenship
The Federal Government has granted citizenship to Sasha, a child who was born to a Ugandan woman on an international flight crossing Canada.
The baby, who weighed six-pound (2.2 kilogram), was delivered at 30,000 feet on a crowded Northwest Airlines from Amsterdam to Boston on the Eve of New Year.
The mother who was eight-and-half months pregnant when she boarded the plane, went into labour just six hours after the plane took-off and subsequently delivered the child as the plane crossed through the Canadian airspace.
Under the law, almost anyone who is born here is a Canadian citizen, said communications director for immigration minister Jason Kenney.
She said that the general rule has few exception, one of which means that children born of foreign diplomats in this country will not be granted Canadian citizenship.
She said that it is the opinion of the government that someone who is born in an airplane crossing over Canada is a beneficiary of the rule.
Ms. Velshi said that the government believes that Canadian territory extends to the airspace as well, and this means that a child born in the Canadian airspace is a Canadian citizen
.
Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:22 pm
by grandpakhalif
khalid ali wrote:Grandpa garre and degodia are Somali People if A Merehaan from kenya can be a citizen of Somalia so can a Garre
bullshit, how come Somaliland they don't allow people from Gashaamo to be a citizen? you recognize them as ethiopian nationals same as ogaden alien clans.
Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:24 pm
by Khalid Ali
grandpakhalif wrote:khalid ali wrote:Grandpa garre and degodia are Somali People if A Merehaan from kenya can be a citizen of Somalia so can a Garre
bullshit, how come Somaliland they don't allow people from Gashaamo to be a citizen? you recognize them as ethiopian nationals same as ogaden alien clans.
Nope a person from Gaashaamo can have the Somaliland citizenship there are many who have the Somaliland passports who are residents of gaashaamo.
Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:25 pm
by Alphanumeric
fighter wrote:BlackVelvet wrote:Does it feel wrong saying it's a bad thing sine your country allows it?
Alphanumeric wrote:He didn't say it's wrong. I think.
It is wrong if Somalia didn't give citizenship to anyone born within its jurisidiction. I remember when I had to volunteer for a hospital and I met a lady who just delivered a boy. The lady was from Spain and she and her husband were tourists. The lady was a month or so early delivering her baby. I remember the hospital staff saying their boy is a Canadian citizenship even though they were just tourists. They were really confused
Then there is that story of that baby born in "Canadian Airspace" and was given citizenship
The Federal Government has granted citizenship to Sasha, a child who was born to a Ugandan woman on an international flight crossing Canada.
The baby, who weighed six-pound (2.2 kilogram), was delivered at 30,000 feet on a crowded Northwest Airlines from Amsterdam to Boston on the Eve of New Year.
The mother who was eight-and-half months pregnant when she boarded the plane, went into labour just six hours after the plane took-off and subsequently delivered the child as the plane crossed through the Canadian airspace.
Under the law, almost anyone who is born here is a Canadian citizen, said communications director for immigration minister Jason Kenney.
She said that the general rule has few exception, one of which means that children born of foreign diplomats in this country will not be granted Canadian citizenship.
She said that it is the opinion of the government that someone who is born in an airplane crossing over Canada is a beneficiary of the rule.
Ms. Velshi said that the government believes that Canadian territory extends to the airspace as well, and this means that a child born in the Canadian airspace is a Canadian citizen
.
Right. So... I'm not sure where BV read your opinion that this shouldn't happen.
Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:25 pm
by BlackVelvet
Green lakin hada dad wax aga haynin maxaa laga qaada lol. There are ways to pay back others and show gratitude, free citizenship doesn't seem like the most reasonable choice.
Alphanumeric wrote:The Japanese model would be interesting.
But we're talking about a government that's facing internal treason, in a country of little security, about a people who hate each other because of who they were born to. So I don't know. It might only escalate tensions.
BlackVelvet wrote:
fighter wrote:That is how it should always be.
Does it feel wrong saying it's a bad thing sine your country allows it?
He didn't say it's wrong. I think.
It's complicated.
I didn't say he said it is. Asked if it would feel wrong to say it is.
Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:26 pm
by Alphanumeric
But how would he know how it feels? That isn't his opinion.

Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:28 pm
by BlackVelvet
fighter wrote:BlackVelvet wrote:Does it feel wrong saying it's a bad thing sine your country allows it?
Alphanumeric wrote:He didn't say it's wrong. I think.
It is wrong if Somalia didn't give citizenship to anyone born within its jurisidiction. I remember when I had to volunteer for a hospital and I met a lady who just delivered a boy. The lady was from Spain and she and her husband were tourists. The lady was a month or so early delivering her baby. I remember the hospital staff saying their boy is a Canadian citizenship even though they were just tourists. They were really confused
Then there is that story of that baby born in "Canadian Airspace" and was given citizenship
The Federal Government has granted citizenship to Sasha, a child who was born to a Ugandan woman on an international flight crossing Canada.
The baby, who weighed six-pound (2.2 kilogram), was delivered at 30,000 feet on a crowded Northwest Airlines from Amsterdam to Boston on the Eve of New Year.
The mother who was eight-and-half months pregnant when she boarded the plane, went into labour just six hours after the plane took-off and subsequently delivered the child as the plane crossed through the Canadian airspace.
Under the law, almost anyone who is born here is a Canadian citizen, said communications director for immigration minister Jason Kenney.
She said that the general rule has few exception, one of which means that children born of foreign diplomats in this country will not be granted Canadian citizenship.
She said that it is the opinion of the government that someone who is born in an airplane crossing over Canada is a beneficiary of the rule.
Ms. Velshi said that the government believes that Canadian territory extends to the airspace as well, and this means that a child born in the Canadian airspace is a Canadian citizen
.
That's just too eager
I guess that happens when you have as much land as Canada does lol.
Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:30 pm
by fighter
BV, It's like that in the United States as well
Alpha, what you think about giving citizenship to non-Somalis?
Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:34 pm
by BlackVelvet
US were stealing land from the natives marka it was a smart move. This happening in Somalia makes me feel like a red Indian

Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:39 pm
by original dervish
it might be a good idea to establish a functioning unified Somalia, before discussing who can and who cannot be Somali.
PS issaqs shouldn`t be allowed to use Somali passports while claiming to be independent.
Re: All people born in Somalia will have Somali citizenship
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:39 pm
by Nomand
cia world factbook on somalia:
Net migration rate:
Field info displayed for all countries in alpha order.
-11.62 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2012 est.)
country comparison to the world: 211
no one is coming to our country stop being paranoid we infact our migration is minus 11.