Why isn't Wolverine banned?

[miskeen86]

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[miskeen86]

the snet rules are not applicable if the target being threatened is either an atheist, gay, lesbian. you're an gay&atheist since you support gay marriage and you also the prophet by implying that he married a six year old girl..

Im none of those mate, but I do support gaymarriage
Also I have not insulted the prophet.

you know that homosexuality if forbidden in islam, right? how can you support what is forbidden and still call yourself a muslim? here is a verse from the Qur'an, fyi

“Help one another in al-Birr and Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression.” [Qur'an 5:2]


who are you referring to when you say a "50 year old man married a six old girl"?

[union]

thanks emperior.

Wolverine, it's true that the Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] married a very young girl. Her exact age is not certain, but suffice to say such a marriage would not be acceptable in modern society. The reasons for the marriage were mostly to solidity political ties, not any pedophillic sexual desires as you seem to be implying, and her young age also meant she lived many years after the death of the prophet and was thus a source of many hadiths. Liberal Muslims today understand that while the Prophet may have married a child, it's not ok for every Muslim to do the same. That's because we have en evolving understanding of Islam, the hadiths, and the Qu'ran. We try to apply the transgenerational fundamental wisdom of Islam to the modern world, while ignoring the archaic elements which may have been okay in the 7th century but are not okay in the 21st century, like child marriage and aggressive jihad.

I hope that clears things up for you, and I'm sorry for the abuse and idiocy you've been dealt by the resident salafis. They are ignorant.

[Keyblade]

The reasons for the marriage were mostly to solidity political ties

What kind of political ties was he trying to solidify with his closest companion?

[grandpakhalif]

I'm glad union and wolverine were banned.

[fighter]

Grandpa,

They are both banned as of right now?

[wolverine]

you know that homosexuality if forbidden in islam, right? how can you support what is forbidden and still call yourself a muslim? here is a verse from the Qur'an, fyi

“Help one another in al-Birr and Taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression.” [Qur'an 5:2]


who are you referring to when you say a "50 year old man married a six old girl"?

I'm not an atheist, but that doesn't mean that I'm a muslim or have any other religion, I've said it before...kid.

[wolverine]

thanks emperior.

Wolverine, it's true that the Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] married a very young girl. Her exact age is not certain, but suffice to say such a marriage would not be acceptable in modern society. The reasons for the marriage were mostly to solidity political ties, not any pedophillic sexual desires as you seem to be implying, and her young age also meant she lived many years after the death of the prophet and was thus a source of many hadiths. Liberal Muslims today understand that while the Prophet may have married a child, it's not ok for every Muslim to do the same. That's because we have en evolving understanding of Islam, the hadiths, and the Qu'ran. We try to apply the transgenerational fundamental wisdom of Islam to the modern world, while ignoring the archaic elements which may have been okay in the 7th century but are not okay in the 21st century, like child marriage and aggressive jihad.

I hope that clears things up for you, and I'm sorry for the abuse and idiocy you've been dealt by the resident salafis. They are ignorant.

I was making a an argument to jalaaludin5 who made post on iranians hanging two people who were claimed to be gay. My point was, people who claim to have superior morality to the point in which they condemn gays to death, but at the same time have a moral source which is supposed to have married a 6 year old at the time of 50+ years...who at the same time they seem ashamed by that...seem to be in a difficult position to be making any moral judgement.

btw thanks for the support

[abdisamad3]

He is not banned.

[grandpakhalif]

someone ban this jew!

[Keyblade]

someone ban this jew!

[DR-YALAXOOW]

everyone on this forum has right to express hes or her point of view. freedom of speech should be number one here. calling people to be banned just because they have another point of view than yours is not okay .
so those children who call others to be banned i say to you . you dont belong in disccussion forum. pls go away and never come back.

wolverine has right to express hes point of view and no one has right to deny that. freedom of speech is god given right

[udun]

EVIDENCE # 4 The Age of Ayesha in Relation to the Age of Asma
According to Abda'l-Rahman ibn abi zanna'd:

“Asma (ra) was ten years older than Ayesha. (REF: Siyar A`la'ma'l-nubala', Al-Zahabi, Vol. 2, p. 289, Arabic, Mu'assasatu'l-risalah, Beirut, 1992)



According to Ibn Kathir:

"She [Asma] was elder to her sister [Ayesha] by ten years". (REF: Al-Bidayah wa'l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol. 8, p. 371, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933)



According to Ibn Kathir:

"She [Asma] saw the killing of her son during that year [i.e. 73 AH], as we have already mentioned, and five days later she herself died. According to other narratives she died not after five days but ten or twenty or a few days over twenty or a hundred days later. The most well known narrative is that of hundred days later. At the time of her death, she was 100 years old." (REF: Al-Bidayah wa'l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir (died 1333), Vol. 8, Pg. 372, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933)



According to Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani:

"She [Asma (ra)] lived a hundred years and died in 73 or 74 AH." (REF: Taqribu'l-tehzib, Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani, Pg 654, Arabic, Bab fi'l-nisa', al-harfu'l-alif, Lucknow)



According to almost all the historians Asma (ra), the elder sister of Ayesha (ra) was ten years older than Ayesha (ra). If Asma was 100 years old in 73 AH, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijra { Asma’s age MINUS 73 hijrah EQUALS the age of Asma at the time of Hijrah( 100 – 73 or 74 = 27 or 28)}.



If Asma (ra) was 27 or 28 years old at the time of Hijrah, Ayesha (ra), being younger by 10 years, should have been 17 or 18 years old {Asma’s age at the time of Hijarah MINUS the age difference between Asma and Ayesha EQUALS the age of Ayesha at the time of Hijarh (27 or 28 –10 = 17 or 18 yrs)}. Thus, Ayesha (ra), being 17 or 18 years of at the time of Hijra, she started to cohabit with Prophet between 19 to 20 years old (The Age of Ayesha at the time of Hijra + the year of Ayesha cohabiting with Prophet (19-20 + 1-2 Hijra) = The Age of Ayesha when she cohabit with Prophet (19 or 20 years).



Based on Hajar, Ibn Katir, and Abda'l-Rahman ibn abi zanna'd, age of Ayesha at the time living with Prophet would be 19or 20 years. In evidence # 3, Ibn Hajar suggests that Ayesha is 12 years old and in evidence # 4 he contradicts himself with a seventeen or eighteen-year-old Ayesha (ra). What is the correct age, twelve or eighteen?

CONCLUSION: Ibn Hajar is an unreliable source for Ayesha’s age.

Source: http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_1 ... prover.htm

Islam haters can throw around insults all they can, with the support they are getting from the MODs and Admin in SNET, but the truth is they have no legs to stand on when they are bashing the Islamic faith. Ibn Hajar whom many Islam haters use as a source is an unreliable source for Aisha's age. The consensus among Islamic scholars is that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was between 19 - 20 years of age when the marriage between Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) took place.

[udun]

Here is another proof of Aisha's age that is much older than 6 or 9 years that Kuffaars are running with:

EVIDENCE # 5 Battles of Badr and Uhud
A narrative regarding Ayesha's (ra) participation in Badr is given in Muslim, Kitabu'l-jihad wa'l-siyar, Bab karahiyati'l-isti`anah fi'l-ghazwi bikafir. Ayesha (ra) while narrating the journey to Badr and one of the important events that took place in that journey says: "when we reached Shajarah". It is quite obvious from these words that Ayesha (ra) was with the group travelling towards Badr.

A narrative regarding Ayesha's (ra) participation in the battle of `uhud is given in Bukhari, Kitabu'l-jihad wa'l-siyar, Bab Ghazwi'l-nisa' wa qitalihinna ma`a'lrijal:

"Anas reports that On the day of Uhud, people could not stand their ground

around the Prophet (pbuh). [On that day,] I saw Ayesha (ra) and Umm-i-Sulaim

(ra), they had pulled their dress up from their feet [to avoid any hindrance in their movement]."

CONCLUSION: Ayesha (ra) was present in the battles of Uhud and Badr.



It is narrated in Bukhari, Kitabu'l-maghazi, Bab ghazwati'l-khandaq wa hiya'l-ahza'b:

"Ibn `umar (ra) states that the Prophet (pbuh) did not permit me to participate in Uhud, as at that time, I was fourteen years old. But on the day of Khandaq, when I was fifteen years old, the Prophet (pbuh) permitted my participation."

Summary: Based on the above narratives, (a) the children below 15 years were sent back and were not allowed to participate in the battle of `uhud, (b) Ayesha participated in the battles of Badr and Uhud

CONCLUSION: Ayesha's (ra) participation in the battle of Badr and Uhud clearly indicates that she was not nine old but at least 15 years old or older. After all, women used to accompany men to the battlefields to help them, not to be a burden on them. This account is another contradiction about Ayesha’s age.

Soo, the proof over there shows that Omar (may Allah be pleased with) was denied to join the battle of Badr and Uhud due to his age being 14 years old while Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was participant in the Jihad. That clearly shows Aisha was 15 years or older.

Haters are gonna hate, but their hate can get easily busted!

[wolverine]

udun
Nicely done... . I've seen similar arguments on the link you gave. But that wasn't the point son