Ancient Egyptian and Somali cultural similarities.

[Cirwaaq]

ancient egyptians considered catha edulis to be a divine leave. catha edulis= khat

They found Hashiis in pots in tombs with Mommies, they also used opium and cocaine.

What is weird is Cocaine only grew in South america how the hell did the pharoahs get Cocaine?

I wonder if they cultivated Magic Mashrooms?

[Arabmann]

The Yoruba claim kinship to ancient Egyptians, and similarity to the language.

Some words common to Yoruba and Ancient Egytpian:
name ..... ran
seed ..... naprit
water ..... miri
evil ..... bu huru/bu buru
pot; cup ..... apoti
yes; nod head ..... hen
no ..... enen
concealed ..... amon
elevated ..... hor
silvery fish ..... fahaka
to wipe, erase ..... nu
E: Oni = a form of Osiri(s) Y: Oni = king
E: Oba = to direct, captain Y: Oba = king
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And more subtantially some from J. Olumide Lucas' book:
Examples of AE survivals in Yoruba:

Yoruba - - - - Ancient Egyptian

Inoki............Noki-t "fabulous beast"
A-gu-ta(n)...Ha-khu-ptah
O-ni.............Au-nu "Crocodile"
Saluga.........Salug "god of wealth"
ibatan..........Bahtan "compatriot"
amon...........amon "to hide/concealed"
Wu...............Uu "swell"
Miri...............Miri "water" dazzle(of water)
Riri...............Ririt "dirty (like a hippo)"
Ade..............Ade-f "crown/plumes"
Ako...............Ak "male"
Abo...............Ab "female"
Ala................Ala "boundary - Obatala==King of Nile"
A-ke..............qe-h "axe"
a-dua............dua or tua "prayer"
a-ru-gbo........ru-ba "evening of ba i.e. later stage of life"
Sadu.............Zaddu "abode of the dead"
I-re................Re "That whis is good, goodness"
Ko.................Qo-t "build"
Wombia.........nubia "you, a Nubian" - derogatory - "a covetous person"

Note:
(O-ni is pronouced with an 'Or' sound)
The sacred animal of the city of On (Aunu) survives in the word O-ni, "crocodile", a name used as the title of the paramount King in Yorubaland, i.e., the Oni of Ife.
The Yoruba phrase "apa amu sua", which means "an unthrifty person" is derived from three AE words:
Apa - "he who belongs to the house i.e. servant"
Amu - one of the Asiatic tribes engaged in domestic service in Ancient Egypt
Sua (Sua-nit), a nome in AE. The phrase is a comtemptuous term which preserves the idea of the wastefulness of foreign domestic servants in AE who hardly knew the value of crockery and other articles they sometimes smashed to pieces.
The word "bu" in AE means "place". This word survives in Yoruba vocabulary:
"ki bu e e" means "what place are you going?"
"ibudo" means "a place to settle"
"ibusun" means "a place to sleep"
"ibu-joko" means "a place to sit"
"ibu-so" means "a station"
"a-bu-le" means "premises"
The connection bewteen the two languages is so close that it is quite possible for one to help in determining the siginifcance of words whose meanings have not yet been definitely ascertained or have become obscure in the other!

There is a survival of customs
- Religious beliefs. Most of the prinicpal gods are well known: Osiris, Isis, Horus, Shu, Sut, Thoth, Kepera, Amon, Anu, Khonsu, Khnum, Khopri, Hathor, Sokaris, Ra, Seb, the 4 elmental deities etc.
-- Ra survives in name only, but the words Irawo (star), rara (swear by Ra), rara (dwarfs - AE mythological Danga dwarfs that hailed the daily arrival of the sun-god) preserve the idea.
-- The idea of a future life and that of judgement after death
-- The deification of Kings.
-- The importance attached to names. A man's name is supposed to have a real force in determining his character. Names are not given haphazardly, but acording to prevailing circumstances at the time of birth.
-- Strong belief in a future life. The AE and Yoruba ideas are identical. The Yoruba word for the verb "too die" is Ku, i.e. to become a luminous spirit. The Egyptian word Khu, or the luminous part of a man, "is a spark of that divine intelligence which pervades the world and to which it must return"
- Polygamy - similarity in the position of the first wife and her rights and privileges
- Burial customs. Previous to burial the corpse in Yorubaland is dressed like the Egyptian mummy. In the case of the burial of the king, the king slaves must be buried with him, and his Chief Officers and wives must die on the day of the burial. The king will require the services of his dependents in the next world. The British influence has put an end to such practices. Ushebti figures are now substitued for living persons.
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Somalis have to produce more hard evidence than the Yoruba.

Oh, I just remembered ancient Egyptians used to practice incest, with kings marrying their sisters. I don't believe ancient Somalis used to do that.

[Cirwaaq]

The Yoruba claim kinship to ancient Egyptians, and similarity to the language.

Some words common to Yoruba and Ancient Egytpian:
name ..... ran
seed ..... naprit
water ..... miri
evil ..... bu huru/bu buru
pot; cup ..... apoti
yes; nod head ..... hen
no ..... enen
concealed ..... amon
elevated ..... hor
silvery fish ..... fahaka
to wipe, erase ..... nu
E: Oni = a form of Osiri(s) Y: Oni = king
E: Oba = to direct, captain Y: Oba = king
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And more subtantially some from J. Olumide Lucas' book:
Examples of AE survivals in Yoruba:

Yoruba - - - - Ancient Egyptian

Inoki............Noki-t "fabulous beast"
A-gu-ta(n)...Ha-khu-ptah
O-ni.............Au-nu "Crocodile"
Saluga.........Salug "god of wealth"
ibatan..........Bahtan "compatriot"
amon...........amon "to hide/concealed"
Wu...............Uu "swell"
Miri...............Miri "water" dazzle(of water)
Riri...............Ririt "dirty (like a hippo)"
Ade..............Ade-f "crown/plumes"
Ako...............Ak "male"
Abo...............Ab "female"
Ala................Ala "boundary - Obatala==King of Nile"
A-ke..............qe-h "axe"
a-dua............dua or tua "prayer"
a-ru-gbo........ru-ba "evening of ba i.e. later stage of life"
Sadu.............Zaddu "abode of the dead"
I-re................Re "That whis is good, goodness"
Ko.................Qo-t "build"
Wombia.........nubia "you, a Nubian" - derogatory - "a covetous person"

Note:
(O-ni is pronouced with an 'Or' sound)
The sacred animal of the city of On (Aunu) survives in the word O-ni, "crocodile", a name used as the title of the paramount King in Yorubaland, i.e., the Oni of Ife.
The Yoruba phrase "apa amu sua", which means "an unthrifty person" is derived from three AE words:
Apa - "he who belongs to the house i.e. servant"
Amu - one of the Asiatic tribes engaged in domestic service in Ancient Egypt
Sua (Sua-nit), a nome in AE. The phrase is a comtemptuous term which preserves the idea of the wastefulness of foreign domestic servants in AE who hardly knew the value of crockery and other articles they sometimes smashed to pieces.
The word "bu" in AE means "place". This word survives in Yoruba vocabulary:
"ki bu e e" means "what place are you going?"
"ibudo" means "a place to settle"
"ibusun" means "a place to sleep"
"ibu-joko" means "a place to sit"
"ibu-so" means "a station"
"a-bu-le" means "premises"
The connection bewteen the two languages is so close that it is quite possible for one to help in determining the siginifcance of words whose meanings have not yet been definitely ascertained or have become obscure in the other!

There is a survival of customs
- Religious beliefs. Most of the prinicpal gods are well known: Osiris, Isis, Horus, Shu, Sut, Thoth, Kepera, Amon, Anu, Khonsu, Khnum, Khopri, Hathor, Sokaris, Ra, Seb, the 4 elmental deities etc.
-- Ra survives in name only, but the words Irawo (star), rara (swear by Ra), rara (dwarfs - AE mythological Danga dwarfs that hailed the daily arrival of the sun-god) preserve the idea.
-- The idea of a future life and that of judgement after death
-- The deification of Kings.
-- The importance attached to names. A man's name is supposed to have a real force in determining his character. Names are not given haphazardly, but acording to prevailing circumstances at the time of birth.
-- Strong belief in a future life. The AE and Yoruba ideas are identical. The Yoruba word for the verb "too die" is Ku, i.e. to become a luminous spirit. The Egyptian word Khu, or the luminous part of a man, "is a spark of that divine intelligence which pervades the world and to which it must return"
- Polygamy - similarity in the position of the first wife and her rights and privileges
- Burial customs. Previous to burial the corpse in Yorubaland is dressed like the Egyptian mummy. In the case of the burial of the king, the king slaves must be buried with him, and his Chief Officers and wives must die on the day of the burial. The king will require the services of his dependents in the next world. The British influence has put an end to such practices. Ushebti figures are now substitued for living persons.
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Somalis have to produce more hard evidence than the Yoruba.

Oh, I just remembered ancient Egyptians used to practice incest, with kings marrying their sisters. I don't believe ancient Somalis used to do that.

How on earth do we all look the same if there was no incest?

Also

Look at any modern capital there are no less then a 100 lanuages all enfluencing each other, every nation is represented in civilisation why must Egypt belong to a single race or a single language this bais limits our true understanding...

In paintings i do see faces of races extinct, some that bare a mix of oriental+Afro intermix or Indo-Afro mix or Carcaziod+indo... it was the centre of civilization and let us accept all races were at some point presented with the Somali Pheno-type as the grand Master of the house

You display traits of deprivation from Cano geel syndrome

[Arabmann]

In paintings i do see faces of races extinct, some that bare a mix of oriental+Afro intermix or Indo-Afro mix or Carcaziod+indo... it was the centre of civilization and let us accept all races were at some point presented with the Somali Pheno-type as the grand Master of the house

Can you post some of those paintings? I doubt they looked like modern-day Somalis.

[waryaa]

rep,

Language similarities from "similar topics"
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=229779

I read somewhere that somalis, pharos and bebers belong together.

granpa

[Cirwaaq]

In paintings i do see faces of races extinct, some that bare a mix of oriental+Afro intermix or Indo-Afro mix or Carcaziod+indo... it was the centre of civilization and let us accept all races were at some point presented with the Somali Pheno-type as the grand Master of the house

Can you post some of those paintings? I doubt they looked like modern-day Somalis.

You did not read what i said i am surrendering to the possibility that like any modern capital today more that one race can be found in the cities of egpyt as depicted in the paintings from oriental to bantu africans the somali pheo-type or look is one we as somalis have hijacked and it it belongs to maky communities beside the somalis and some that share no border... This does not negate that the somali pheo-type was the grand master of ancient civilisation... You won't find a people more arrogant or concieted than these and there would have never been peace unless we ruled

[Arabmann]

I read somewhere that somalis, pharos and bebers belong together.

Are you saying Zidane is related to Somalis?



Although I don't see the resemblance, I admit it's marvelous if such a gifted sportsman is related to Somalis.

[waryaa]

when hollywood needed a pharoh queen, they got Iman, not a regular actress. Coincidence?

rep, add iman's role in that movie to your list of similarities

[Voltage]

Similarity in men clothes and hair styles

Ancient Egyptian



Pre-modern Somali

[Voltage]

Recognized genetic similarity

[Voltage]

Similarity in geology

[Thuganomics]

The Yoruba claim kinship to ancient Egyptians, and similarity to the language. Somalis have to produce more hard evidence than the Yoruba..

Language: Somali/Egyptian (meaning)
Qora/Ra (The sun)
Neter/Neder (divine being)
Hipo/Hibo (the sound b doe not exist in Hamitic languages - gift)
Heru/Xuur (a stork)
Tuf/Tuf (spit)
Habi (the Nile)/Wabi ( a river)
Ar/Ar ( a lion)
cb/kab (shoe)
brq/biriq (lightning)
ayah/dayax (moon)
dab/dab (fire)
anka/aniga (I)
Ka/Ka,Kaah (spirit)
medu/muud (liquid)






Apart from the ancient Egyptian records, the only mention of pre-Islamic Somalia was that by the Greek geographers and travelers Herodotus, Strabo, Pliny, Ptolemy and cosmos Indicopleustas who visited the Red Sea coast between Barbaria and its people were Barbars. The name Berber was apparently a corruption of Barbar and, therefore, Barbaria must have been the original homeland of the North African Berbers. In all probability, the Red Sea Port city of Berbera was Barbara, the most important town in Barbaria. Perhaps it would be of interest to note here that the ancient Egyptian Hieroglyph was also called BARBA. Incidentally, BARBA in Somali meant ‘teach to write’ and was still in use in the old quarter of Mogadishu. BAR in Somali means ‘teach’ and BA was the first letter of the Hieroglyph as well as the Somali orthography. While the word Barbarism and Barbaric found its way into some European dictionaries in their correct spelling, they obviously referred to the hostile and ‘savage’ conduct of the North Africans who then were the only Barbars in contact with Europe. Another unexpected source which the author found valuable was the two Holy Books of the two main monotheistic religions, namely the Bible and Qur’an. In the opinion of the author, the age of the two books and their reference to historical events renders them a valuable source which could not simply be ignored or dismissed. As a matter of fact, the two books provided some useful hints which added to the mounting etymological evidence at hand. For instance, the Biblical YAHWE (later turned Yehova and Jehova) was evidently the same as the Somali YAHU – traditionally invoked to ward off evil or danger. While the Cananite god ‘Pal’ was still present in Somalia in the same sense in one or two words, the ancient Aramaic name for the almighty, EBBE, was to this day the most commonly used names for God besides the Islamic ‘Allah’. The Biblical TUBAN-CAIN, whose profession was to make instruments (Genesis 4:22) was obviously a Greek mispronunciation of TUMAL, the Somali iron-monger. According to the earliest interpretations of the Quran, the place where Cain slew his brother, Abel, was ‘GERIYAT’ which reportedly meant ‘The place of Death’. Incidentally, the hottest most desolate piece of desert in North-Western Somalia was called and thus also meant in Somali. GERIYAT (GEERIYAAD) lies about 25km south of the historical Red Sea Port of Zeila (probably the Biblical Zillah, the mother of TUBAL-CAIN). Also according to the Holy Quran, WAD(the ancient Hamite god) was one of the five idol-gods worshipped during the time of Prophet Noah. There was now etymological evidence that WAD was a Somali deity as also was HOBAL and several of ancient Egypt’s gods. III.THE LAND OF THE GODS Linguistically, Somali was classified as a member of the Eastern Cu****ic sub-group of the Cu****ic branch of the Hamito-Semitic family. Languages that belong to the Hamito-Semitic family were usually sub-divided into branches that represented dialects of the original parent language. These were Semitic, Egyptian, Berber, Cu****ic and Chadic. While some linguists rejected the existence of a genetic affinity between the Chadic and other branches of the Hamito-Semitic, others accepted it Similarly, on the basis of the low percentage of vocabulary items shared between the West Cu****ic languages and other members of the Cu****ic branch, some scholars classified West Cu****ic as a separate branch of the Hamito-Semitic known as Omotic. Still others connect Omotic with the Chadic group. In view of such considerable differences of opinion among linguists as to which language belonged to which group and the criteria to be applied in identifying a language, it would in the view of the author, be wise to expand the scope of the criteria to be applied. Just as new genetic evidence points to the fact that all human beings came from the same family of man and woman, available linguistic evidence also points to the same genetic origin of all languages. Obviously, the present criterion for classifying languages on the basis of the common origin of the most ancient vocabulary and word elements used to express grammatical relations were clearly inadequate and the cause of such difference of opinion. Consequently, a study of a language’s etymology would not only add to our knowledge of a people’s ancient history and culture but could also help in determining the age of a language as well as its relationship with other languages. However, the study of the word formation of a language was a rather complex subject and could only be attempted by a native with a fairly large reservoir of vocabulary, an inner feeling for the cultural circumstances in which a word formed as well as a working knowledge of other sister languages. Studying a language as a foreign medium was, in the opinion of the author, hardly enough to comprehend variations of the words of an ancient yet living language such as Somali. Unfortunately, the present study raises more questions than it provides answers in a discipline already beset with conflicting theories and arguments. However, whatever linguistic characteristics Somali seems to share with other languages of the Cu****ic group, the presence of a fairly large number of ancient objects of worship as well as names of God clearly separates it from the group and calls for a more comprehensive study of the language. (P.S. For the purpose of clarity, gods of Somali origin identified in the study as well as Somali words used are rendered in the new Somali orthography.) Contrary to the accepted traditional classification and the recent claim by Prof. M. Nuh (PhD UCLA 1981) that Somali separated from parent Cu****ic some 3000 to 3500 years ago, it was evident from the study the language could well belong to the ancient stage of the Hamito-Semitic if not earlier. The fact that it survived almost intact over several millennia could probably be due to its speakers’ unchanged pastoralist way of life and their almost geographical isolation in the North-Eastern corner of the Horn of Africa. Probably the most important word in the Somali language is its name, i.e. SOMALI. Often misunderstood and occasionally misinterpreted by Somali and foreign scholars alike, the author thought it befitting that the study should begin with it. Contrary to all erroneous theories advanced and meanings attributed to it, the name was a simple Somali noun describing the profession of its speakers, namely SOMAAL. In old Somali, so’ meant meat – now replaced by the modern word HILIB. Among speakers of MAI dialect, however, SO’ was still very much in use and was the only word for meat. The suffix MAAL means to live on or to make gain from. Hence SO’MAAL literally means ‘one who lives on meat’ – in other words a pastoralist. Apparently, in ancient times, Somalis were more efficiently divided along professional lines as opposed to the present cumbersome system of lineage. The TUMAAL was the iron-monger, BAAJIMAAL was the potter and BIYOMAAL (literally the one who lives on or makes gain from water) was either a cultivator or a fisher. Presently, a sub-clan of the main *** clan-family is called BIYOMAAL and live along the lower parts of the Shabelle river – though they practice both farming and pastoralism. To this day, however, the SO’MAAL, TUMAAL and BAAJIMAAL live true to their old professions. In line with similar words in the language, the difficult-to-pronounce Hamzah (’) in SO’MAAL was later dropped and replaced by the long vowel SOOMAAL. The only other Somali word with the suffix MAAL was DUMAAL which meant ‘one who gained from death’. DUMAAL was the word commonly used for wife-inheritance. In Somali tradition, a man is expected to inherit the wife of his deceased brother. Similarly, in the event of death of one’s wife, her younger sister is usually given to him in marriage to take the place of her deceased elder sister. Therefore, in Somali, a sister-in-law was a DUMAASHI (which should have basically been DUMAAL-SHI). WAD’AAD (now WADAAD), evidently the pre-Islamic word for priest (man of religion) was still commonly used and contained the ancient ‘Hamitic’ god WAD. Hence WAD’AAD, or more recently WADAAD, meant the attendant of WAD. In modern Somali, WAD meant ‘death’. Similarly, GAR’AAD (currently GARAAD) meant ‘an expert in law’ – probably the clan advocate. In modern Somali, however, GARAAD today means prince or Sultan of a clan. Another supposedly ‘ancient Hamitic god’, HOBAL, also was evidently of Somali origin. HOOBAL – alternatively HOOYAL – was probably the best known of all Somali gods and continues to dominate Somali poetry and traditional folklore songs. Pagan Arabia’s most important god, HUBAL, was none other than the Somali HUBAL, co-opted and given an Arabised sound. In modern Somali today, HOBAL, was understood to mean ‘Artiste’. The ancient god was probably the patron-god of Somali literature. Undoubtedly the most important aspect of the present study was the Somali-Egyptian relationship. Present linguistic evidence showed at least five of ancient Egypt’s gods came from or had obvious links with the country they at times called ‘The Land of the Gods’. For instance, the supreme sun god, RA’ (also alternatively called RA and RE) occurs as a component of a number of culturally-important Somali words. The all-important ritual word for slaughter, GOWRAC, clearly indicates the sun god was as old as the language itself. GOWRAC literally meant ‘cut for RAC’. The Oromo word for the same ritual was GORA’ with a Hamzah substituted for the more difficult to pronounce C (’). RA was the only god Somali shared with other Eastern Cu****ic branch with the exception of Waq which it also shares with the Oromo. Other Somali words which also contained the supreme sun god GARAC (an illegitimate child), ARRAWEELO (AR-RA-WEELO), the legendary pagan queen who castrated a whole generation of the Somali menfolk. ARRAWEELO literally meant ‘The one who obeyed RA’. The Somali word for ‘wrong’ was GURRAC (GUR-RAC). GUR meant ‘the left hand’, which in most languages stood for ‘wrong’. The two words GARRE (GAR-RE) and BARRE (BAR-RE) incorporated the third alias of the sun god, RE. Consequently, GARRE meant the same as GARAC – both meaning an illegitimate child. Hence the saying “GARRE GARAC MALE” – meaning the GARRE (a clan in the south) have no illegitimate child. It was an accepted tradition to this day among the clan that a newly-wed bride was immediately taken away by young herdsmen and could not be returned to her husband until she was pregnant. BARRE (BAR-RE) meant god’s rain. BAR means rain drops as in BARWAAQO (BAR-WAQ). HOROUS, the second most important of ancient Egypt’s gods, also appears to have originated in the ‘Land of the gods’. The dark falcon deity (Somali ABOODI) still remains a much feared bird. It was believed to be particularly dangerous to newly-born babies and nursing mothers. A piece of the bird’s bones or its claw was traditionally tied around the infant as a protection against its harmful spells. In North-Eastern Somalia in particular, the male name HORUSE was given to a child of dark complexion. To protect themselves against the falcon’s evil eye, nursing mothers often carry a knife or a short stick of the WAGAR tree. Incidentally, the Egyptian pharaohs reportedly carried the same WAGAR stuff to the battlefield to ensure victory against the enemy. OSIRIS, another of ancient Egypt’s gods who reportedly ruled the underworld after being killed by SET (Ed. Somali SED), was evidently a Greek distortion of ISIR and WASIIR in Somali. Today, Somalis sometimes refer to AB and ISIR in their denial of an accusation that was culturally horrendous. One usually says ‘I have neither AB nor ISIR for such an act’ – meaning I have neither the genetic probability nor the cultural or religious orientation to commit such a horrendous act. The pair WALCAN and WASIIR, now on their way to oblivion, were also used in a similar but slightly varying context. In modern Somali, however, ISIR was commonly used as a female name. NEPHDEYS and BES, two less prominent ancient Egyptian gods, also appear to have some affinity with the Somali language. While NAF in Somali meant ‘soul’, NEF meant ‘breath’. Hence NEPHDEYS literally would mean ‘The one who releases breath – a function more or less attributed to the ancient god. BES in Somali meant ‘One who was in his or her deathbed’ – also a function the latter god was associated with. The ancient Cananite god, PAL, was still alive in Somali in the same sense but probably in only two words –UUR-KU-BAALE-LE and YABAAL. The rarely used UUR-KU-BAAL-LE meant ‘One who has BAL in him’. One would usually ask: “How do you expect me to know your intentions? Do you think I have BAAL in me?” In essence, this meant only one who had BAAL in him could foretell the hidden or the unknown. YABAAL, possibly an alternative name for BAAL, was usually associated with the voice, of an invisible being that told one what to do or not to do in time of crisis in the wilderness. Finally, the ancient Mayan Sea god, MANYA, simply meant sea in the Somali dialect spoken in the old quarters of Mogadishu. IV. CONCLUSION The above brief study of Somali etymology does not attempt to re-classify the language nor does it set its probable age. But the evident fact that Somali contains the two most ancient ‘Hamitic’ gods, WAD and HOBAL, at least five of ancient Egypt’s most prominent deities as well as two Semitic and one Cananite ancient names of god clearly calls for a thorough review of this medium hitherto classified as Eastern Cu****ic. True to its old name ‘The Land of the gods’, Somalia was probably a very important center of religion in ancient times and the probable cradle of idol-worship for both sides of the Red Sea and farther afield. The fact that the Horn of Africa was the oldest settlement that combined both Hamites and Semites also lends more credibility to the current popular theory that human species originated in the East African region. Without any attempt to draw any conclusions, the present brief study merely seeks to shed some light on our knowledge of the Somali language and its mainly pastoralist speakers who until now attracted comparatively little attention from scholars. It was evident further study was needed not only to re-classify the language and assess its probable age but also to realize its full historio-linguistic potential.

[Nomand]

somalis and their obsession with ancient egyptians.

why would anyone want to be from those who will enter the worst hell fire.


40:45 Then Allah saved him from (every) ill that they plotted (against him), but the burnt of the Penalty encompassed on all sides the People of Pharaoh.


40:46 In front of the Fire will they be brought, morning and evening: And (the sentence will be) on the Day that Judgment will be established: "Cast ye the People of Pharaoh into the severest Penalty!"

[Thuganomics]

Somalis and ancient egyptians oo xeedho furaaya

[Arabmann]

why would anyone want to be from those who will enter the worst hell fire.

Pride?