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Re: Malthusian nightmare?

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Great responses. :up: :up:

Some of you are adopting a straw man approach to this thread. :lol: :lol:

It is not about verifying/rejecting Malthus theory. It was simply an attempt to highlight what could happen if we keep on using "allah provides" as a defensive mechanism .

Grandpapa,
The aim of the thread is not about the constituents of ”success and failure”. It is not also about western perspective nor spiritual success. It is about the social decay of our moral values that I wanted to highlight.

You are right that the older generation was born in Somalia when there was relative peace. However, it is the same generation that is not taking the responsibility of parenthood. Some of them fled overseas and became not only parasites but also neglected their parental responsibilities. Those who remained in Somalia are not doing enough to assuage the misery of our nation.

Sareedo; Dhowr sanno ka hore dadka aan shaqeeysanin oo tuugsado waxaa loogu yeeri magacyo kale duwan. Maanta tuuksiga wuxuu noqday caadi. Kelmadi ahayd “nimaan shaqeeysanin shaah ma cabo waxaa lagu bedeley “ nimaan wax dhacin nin ma aha)

Gurey, Almost all scholars of the 18-20th centuries had racial aspects in the ideas they put forward; From Carl Linnaeus, the botanist and zoologist; Voltaire (who owned a slave ship), Auguste Comte (sociologist who pioneed forehead measurement to measure intelligence), Gregor Mendel (Genetics), Lamark (evolution) and Hubert Spencer who pioneered social Darwinism.

Re-read the thread and comment the key meesage.

Alphanumeric; thanks for your input. It seems that you are one of the few who understood the core message of this thread i.e. how we Somalis outsource parental responsibilities to others.

Sagaashan; You provide a good illustration for the points I made. Innovations /technologies are one way to overcome scarcity. Necessity is the mother of all inventions. But not when it comes to our people. We are on a path of laziness.

Elfruler; Good points; but how do you acquire purchasing power if you do not want to sweat and think? Somali has enough arable land but unfortunately not many of it is cultivated. When we do, we grow cash crops instead of stable. You will hear a somali boasting about luxaries such as Bananas, mangoes and papaya; bot not Millet, Maize etc. We are a society that views foreign grown crops (rice and pasta) as superior to our millet, maize and sorghum. The farmer has no incentive. The overseas Somali is someone who views handouts from welfare coffers as a blessing from God. He does not participate in his child's development. He outsources his responsibilities by claiming that it is Allah that is providing.

Jaidi, I don’t accept Malthus theory 100%. In fact there are few theories that are 100 % correct. That is what a theory is. It is not facts. I strongly believe that Somalia/somalis will provide a good illustration for his arguments. I brought his vision in to highlight the challenges our nation and people are facing. And the long term repercussions the notion of “Allah provides” will have on us.
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Malthusian theory was discredited long ago.
This is clearly obvious in Africa/Somalia, where we are no where near to population outstripping resources.

The Chinese carried out a survey of the riverine areas of Southern Somalia, and came to the conclusion that if modern farming practises were implemented
50 million could be supported.
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original dervish wrote:Malthusian theory was discredited long ago.
This is clearly obvious in Africa/Somalia, where we are no where near to population outstripping resources.

The Chinese carried out a survey of the riverine areas of Southern Somalia, and came to the conclusion that if modern farming practises were implemented
50 million could be supported.
You are right Original Daraawish; Africa has relatively a lower population density than many other continents. It is not about availability but what you do to your resources that matters.

When every somali wants to become president, PM and government official or want to move overseas an live on welfare, who will farm the farms? when all of us eat pasta/rice instead of maize/millet who will consume the produce? When food aid has become a fact of life in somalia, who will think about cultivating?
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Re: Malthusian nightmare?

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[quote="Lamgoodle"]Great responses. :up: :up:



Sareedo; Dhowr sanno ka hore dadka aan shaqeeysanin oo tuugsado waxaa loogu yeeri magacyo kale duwan. Maanta tuuksiga wuxuu noqday caadi. Kelmadi ahayd “nimaan shaqeeysanin shaah ma cabo waxaa lagu bedeley “ nimaan wax dhacin nin ma aha)


Hadda ka bacdi waxaa isticmaalaa, Haddaadan shaqaysanin wax maad dhacdaa :lol:

Ha dhagaysaniin kuwaan oo kala kasayniin Dhaliilka bulshada iyo diinta in ay labo kala tahay

soo wad iftiinka somnet tnk
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Re: Malthusian nightmare?

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Alphanumeric wrote:

Daadi highlighted the situation in Somalia which I believe is correct, but the transference of "Allah will provide" from Somalia into the diaspora has only proven to be detrimental. But as gramps noted, cultural perspectives of failure and success are important to understand. It is true that what may be successful to one man may not be considered similarly by another. I think this point should be critically examined. Is the Somali culture inherently unproductive? Is our success considered only in the most immediate of terms, or in the intangible? How do we reconcile our cultural understanding of success and our religious teaching of work and independence? How does our culture differ from those of other immigrants who've proven to integrate and have a much higher rate of independence? Success and failure may differ between cultures, but how can a physically capable individual suggest it is successful to be unable to provide for themselves and their family? If that is not failure in the context of our culture, then what is?
These are painful words but they are touching the heart of our problem! As I said earlier Social critics is very important other wise we will not know that we r lost.

Laakin waxaad moodaa so far we r only mentioning the symptoms not the causes well as solutions.
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Re: Malthusian nightmare?

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I don't understand. :mrgreen:
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Re: Malthusian nightmare?

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AgentOfChaos wrote:I don't understand. :mrgreen:
What don't you understand?
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Re: Malthusian nightmare?

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Lamgoodle wrote:
AgentOfChaos wrote:I don't understand. :mrgreen:
What don't you understand?
Everything you posted, so could you please simplify it for us mere mortals oh mighty one. :mrgreen:
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Re: Malthusian nightmare?

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Agent of Chaos,
I am afraid that my rewind button and executive summary buttons don't work.

What I wrote is chaos theory. You should know
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Re: Malthusian nightmare?

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@Lamgoodle: Fair enough :lol:
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