17th of October -

[X.Playa]

I like X.playa, me and him have a general similar outlook on the Somali mentality. Waa dad kuli riyo ku jiro and everything they speak of and praise is done so for the individuals own enjoyment in a coffee shop or the a hall they are shaking their ass in. It is pretty sad. X.playa, I must ask you thou, you glorify the actions of a the SNM militia in their battle against the Government of Somalia on the basis that they would like to control their own destiny and not be governed by Muqdisho. In the same context you approve of military tactics taken by a Government against a group of people who are saying to they want to control their own destiny and not be governed by Hargiesa. In a very realistic and intellectual manner, can you rationalize you contradicting views for me? I am not looking for an explanation on the creation of borders, the independence of British and Italian Somaliland, nor any Somali Geo-political explanation of the difference between SSC ambitions and that of SNM's. What I want to know, do you support the principles of fighting against a Government when you believe it does not have you interest at heart? Do you believe people have a right to decide what is best for them and govern their locality? How are the SNM and SSC ambitions different?

The Dhulbahnate are motivated by hate , simple as that, unless you know the history and the nature and narrative of the Dhulbahnate clan you won't understand their motive, it was never about nationalism from their part, remember 1998 as soon as the Majeerteen used the Harti/Daarood card the Dhulbahnate rejected somaliland on the base that they were Harti-Daarood, not because they were pro-somalia. Now when the Majeerteen used them and discarded them the Dhulbahnate again switched gear and now they are using the Somalia card and union card against somaliland. The only reason the Isaaq forgave the Dhulbahnate for their sins during the civil war was because of somaliland , now some years later the Dhulbahnate repayed us with the usual.

Unlike Khaalid Ali , Sahangalbeed and these romantics , iam more realistic the Isaaq majority will never ever renounce somaliland, and the Daarood in Somaliland will never ever be pro-somaliland , so the best option for Isaaq is just to drive them off before they get help from a strong somali state..

[sadeboi]

I am not sure you comprehended my question, regardless of what they are motivated by, if you support the SNM and their desire to govern themselves and their military actions against the a government they did not want governing them, in principle should you not also support SSB, because they are working by the same principles of SNM of self-governance and military and political action to achieve it.

[X.Playa]

I am not sure you comprehended my question, regardless of what they are motivated by, if you support the SNM and their desire to govern themselves and their military actions against the a government they did not want governing them, in principle should you not also support SSB, because they are working by the same principles of SNM of self-governance and military and political action to achieve it.

Why should I support my enemy to destroy myself, the very question is silly

[sadeboi]

I am not asking you from a political perspective. If that is the case, why do you guys go all emotional and crazy about the actions the Somali government took against the SNM and their supporters. I would understand if you guys did not act a certain when it deals with the SNM, but you whole bases for Somaliland is the the previous government and feeling you should govern yourself, you should support anyone with that same desire since you sing that song all the time.

[X.Playa]

I am not asking you from a political perspective. If that is the case, why do you guys go all emotional and crazy about the actions the Somali government took against the SNM and their supporters. I would understand if you guys did not act a certain when it deals with the SNM, but you whole bases for Somaliland is the the previous government and feeling you should govern yourself, you should support anyone with that same desire since you sing that song all the time.

Thats your Daarood narrative , the issue of somaliland began 2 months after the union , majority of somaliland rejected the union in 1961 and the Somali state claimed that there were more yes vote in Walanweyn then entire Hargaysa. The union's aim was to reunite the great-somalia not to just add Hargaysa to Xamar, now sice that idea have failed , Somaliland chose to restore its soverignty , somaliland is no different then Jabuti a part of Great-somalia that refused Great Somalia.

IThe war and the civil war had nothing todo with somaliland even in 1990 the SNM waited 6 long months for Aydid and Cumar Jees to form a new somali goverment, then Aydid and the USC installed themselves as president with abslout zero respect to the long fighting SNM and Isaaq, so that was the straw that broke the camel's back , and people said screw the south we will revive Somaliland stateshood.

[sadeboi]

Whatever your narrative is you support the will of Isaqs to say screw them we will do what is in our interest, in principle you should support anyone who does that, so why not support the desire of the SSC since its the same "screw them we will do what is in our interest."

[X.Playa]

Whatever your narrative is you support the will of Isaqs to say screw them we will do what is in our interest, in principle you should support anyone who does that, so why not support the desire of the SSC since its the same "screw them we will do what is in our interest."

Are you asking me to support Daarood to destroy somaliland , the same people that used every means to destry us, you have the audacity to appeal to us for our own destruction , just because they don't want to live under Isaaq entity. Are you that naive??

[sadeboi]

I am not asking you to support the war on Somaliland, I am asking why are you against the their political wishes of, when it is the same your beloved SNM and Somaliland took in 1991. To be a part of Somalia and Somaliland.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

Instead of the useless fake memory of the SNM deads why not feed their starving orphans, you got to love the Isaaq hypocracy , they will cleberate yearly and talk nice about the snm exploites during qaad sessions , eatch clans exalting their clan snm individuals... but never would they help the decendants and the family of these SNM, case in point Lixle's mother after 20 years of Somaliland's nationhood she was at last found in a shack sick and old and about to die.

this is what you said and you didn't mention government so I assumed you meant isaaq individuals. Furthermore, why should a government provide for certain citizens when you can do it as a charity. Sure the government is corrupt but what is stopping you from helping out those in need instead of telling others to do it.

Btw, I disagree that relatives of SNM members deserve preferential treatment when there are hundreds of thousands of many more people living in those poor conditions in somaliland.

Iam not bill gate , simple answer.

neither is timocase or somaliland government, besides you don't need to be rich to give charity. Otherwise stop telling people to do something you wouldn't do

[X.Playa]

I am not asking you to support the war on Somaliland, I am asking why are you against the their political wishes of, when it is the same your beloved SNM and Somaliland took in 1991. To be a part of Somalia and Somaliland.

Your question has been asnwered more then 4 times, the Dhulbahnate are not suffering under SNM regim , nor they are been excuted daily , nor Isaaq is runing their town and replacing thier people , you can't compare somaliland with your Daarood goverment of Said Bare. Somaliland is somaliland and these Daaroods live with in the borders of somaliland and just like Jabuti wasn't divided when it decalred itself independent Somaliland will not be divided beacsue "the dervish" and the darling snithes of the old regim wants to live "free" .

[Khalid Ali]

Sade boi you are asking the wrong questions the dhulbahantes and warsangalis mainly from the eastern sool and eastern sanaag regions when the regime collapsed they never ever talked about self rule or to rule their own homes this all came in 2007 for the warsangalis but the project was put on halt by ilkajiir who thought he had a chance in running for presidency in Puntland. The Dhulbahantes never ever talked about an entity of their own this was first mentioned in 2012, just because they saw habargedir sucblans doing the same. So you are really comparing apples to oranges these rhetorical questions have no place in todays Somaliland.

[X.Playa]

neither is timocase or somaliland government, besides you don't need to be rich to give charity. Otherwise stop telling people to do something you wouldn't do

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We can only give so much, what is it with this somaliland and isaaq and charity, schools, roads, hospitals, everything in somaliland is built by charity from the diaspora now you are asking us to support the orphans of the snm?? and what does this faken goverment is good for then, if they cant even take care of that

[HooBariiska]

waaar ma anakaa waalan mise? hadaan gaalkan i caayaaye iska ridana waxa la odhan doonaa wuu qaldanyahay oo wuu caytamaya

the hypocracy of what somalinet has become
the story of xaaji af qalooc when he was talking about the death of sheekh bashiir comes to mind

xaar player get off this topic, it has nothing to do with you and what you stand for.

[X.Playa]

waaar ma anakaa waalan mise? hadaan gaalkan i caayaaye iska ridana waxa la odhan doonaa wuu qaldanyahay oo wuu caytamaya

the hypocracy of what somalinet has become
the story of xaaji af qalooc when he was talking about the death of sheekh bashiir comes to mind

xaar player get off this topic, it has nothing to do with you and what you stand for.

Horta nin tim-case la baxa waaba wax lala yaabo, nin timaa caseeya waxan arkaa Chines/Korean ka bas, qof madow oo timaa caseeyay tolow siduu u eekaan ma Rau-Paul?

[Cumar-Labasuul]