Imaam Axmed Al-Ghaazi and Nuur Mujaahid and Mareexaan claim

[X.Playa]

Jihaadkii 4aad:

Qabiilkii ugu horeeyay ee u soo gurmada Imaamka waxay ahaayeen
Habar Magaadaa ayagoo u wato suldaankoodu Axmed Gerri Xuseen.
Waxay dageen meel la yidhaahdo Qasha oo buuraa dooxada Harar ka
saraysa. Waxay ku xaragoodeen hubkoodii iyo qalabkay siteen
ayagoo faradhooda jarraynaya. Waxay ahaayeen abaanduulayaal aan
loo dhigin abaanduulayaal, iyo ciidan aan ciidan loo dhigin.
Imaamkii ayaa aad iyo aad ugu faraxay gurmadkooda, Waxay Imaamka
ula kulmeen fool ka fool si diirana wuu u soo dhaweeyay, wuxu
siiyay dun iyo sahay suldaankoodiina wuxu hadayad u siiyay
hulaab aad u qurux badan . Buuga Furitaanka Xabasha u qoray
Shihaab Al Diin Axmed Abdul Qaadir boga 43naad.

Jihaadkii 7aaad:

Ninka sheekada noo soo tebiyay Ilaahay haw naxariistee wuxu
yidhi markii u imaamku hadana niyaystay inu duulaan danbe ku
qaado Xabashida kuna dhaartay inaanu ka soo laabanayn dhulka
Kiristaanka geeri mooyaane. Wuxu marsada Zaylac ka codasday hub
dagaal iyo seefo iyo wixii la mid ah.Wuxu u baahnaaba waa loo
keenay waxana ka mid ahaa 7 madfac (cannon) Todabaatan nin baa
ka yimi Mahara oo jihaadka damcsanaa, hogaamiyahoodu wuxu ahaa
Sacbaan Al Mahari iyo Axmed Ina Saleemaan Al Mahari iyo
hogaamiyii reerkayga Shariif Muhammed Ina Axmed. Ka dib ayuu
imaamku somalidii iyo qabiilada dagaaanka Xarla warka
gaadhsiiyay.Qabiilkii ugu horeeyay ee yimaada waxay ahaayeen
Habar Magaadaa ayagoo u hogaaminaayo Garaadkoodu Dawit (Daawad)
oo wata 50 fardoolay ah iyo 500 oo ciidan, ka dibna waxa yimi
Mareexaanka u hogaaminaayo Axmed Ina Xiraabo oo wata 80 faras
iyo todaba boqol oo ciidan ,ka dibna waxa ku xigat Gurguraa u
hogaaminaayay Garaad Caabid oo wata 30 fardoolay iyo kun ciidan,
ka dibna waxa yimi qabiilka Geri uu hogaaminaayay Garaad Mataan
oo wata sideetan fardoolay iyo kun ciidan. Buuga Furitaanka
Xabasha u qoray Shihaab Al Diin Axmed Abdul Qaadir boga 122-123

Colonel what you selectivly chose was the eralier part of the Imaan conflict with the Habar Maqdi and the somalis tribes, how come u didn't mention the Mareexaan too, the Imaam attacked all somali tribes among the first and most the Mareexaan, , if i didn't have the book and read it more 20 times and even translated the above in somali your Faqash revisionsim and selctive distortion would have taken roots , just like your Dervish distrotion almost took root before we route it.

[Siciid85]

deny the legitimacy of a book in which the author simply translates text from Arabic to French?

The French author claims Habar Magadi and MX are related in his book which is false, he also claims Emir Nuur belongs to a certain clan when it was never mentioned
in the original 15th century book Futah Al Habash.

[ZubeirAwal]

metamorphisis so the ogaden controlled berbera miya? war there was 2 Ahmad Gureys, the one who led the jihad was not somali but was probably a sudani or an arab, the somali one was born in berbera to isaaq it's written in Futu7 Al 7abasha

[Eaglehawk]

xkeyse this a responce to you i have no time for the little girl saciido infriority complex discussing marexaan in somaliland section

al ghazi is not a name its a title
why do you lot think that habar magdli is isaaq, do you know somalis have a lot of habar magadle and some even became bah magadle
ogadeen have it and other dir clans have it too

show me ahmed gerri hussein in the isaaq abtirisi ( there is assumption that the habar magadale isaaq and habar magdi in futah al habash are the same, proof and show me the abtirisi in isaaq where ahmed gerri hussein shows up

the futah al habash mentions harti but doesn`t mention isaaq as a clan and there is a reason why habar habusheed and isaaq as a name are not mentioned in futah al habash

ghazi [ˈgɑːzɪ]
n pl -zis
1. (Non-Christian Religions / Islam) a Muslim fighter against infidels
2. (Non-Christian Religions / Islam) (often capital) a Turkish warrior of high rank

[X.Playa]

Going from memory -- Ahmed Gurey's sister mothered Emir Nur (direct maternal uncle - thus making it perfectly permissible to marry his widow); whilst having the same grandfather (need to glance at my notes).

Then you have another main chief, with the same forename, who was basically the elected commander of the Somali forces that were part of Imaam Ahmed's campaign. His name is Garaad Ahmed Hirabu.

Garaad Dawud was the chieftain of the Habar Magaadle whilst Garaad Mataan was the chieftain of the Gerri Kombe.

Another point of clarifiation is that Futuh al-Habash does not mention Emir Nur. The book was authored by Shihab ad-Din, a Yemeni chronicler and was written during Imaam Ahmed's life-time.

Why don't you guys use the search function, I am pretty sure this topic has been re-addressed before.

Where does that fact is mentioned that Imaam Axmed''s sister ( never use the Gurey nick for it doesn't exist in the book) was the mothor of Emir Nuur Ibn Mujaahid??

Goita Ahmed Hiraabo appears later in the book , in the begining of the book Goita Hiraabo Tedoora the Mareexaan chief is called a somali , and he was just another somali chief just like Dauwd and Ahmed Giri of the Habar Maqdi , Goita Ahmed and his father had no special command in the book, in fact all somalis fought as one group.

my question is , where does this claim he was Mareexaan came about?? is it a onclusion you made or a conclusion Rene Bassest made confuing Habar Maqdi and Mareexaan??

[Siciid85]

AbuukarSubeer taarikhda baro Ogaden use to live in as far as south of Berbera (Lafarug) until they were defeated in many battles and were driven into the deep Hawd where
they also lost territories.

The Ogaden clan settled all the way to Lafaruug (south of Berbera), all that territory was taken from them.

How they were defeated in the Hawd.

Sub clans of HY, CG and the Ogaden fighting over Daroor district, which Ogadens were pushed out from. Today it is 100% Garhajis territory.

Unfortunalely, the Habr Yunis, who, it will be remembered, gave the Mullah his first looting in Ishak territory, but are now against him, and the Aidagalleh(Cidagalle) have complicated matters by fighting the Rer Ali & Rer Haroun(Reer Isaaq) over the Daror water. The fight was big one, and over 100 are said to have been killed on each side. The Habr Yunis also lost a quantity of their livestock. Daror is outside our territory in the treaties ceded to Abbysinia. Our tribes have always watered there, and for years have been in an almost chronic state of warfare with the (Reer Isaaq),Ogaden.

Papers by command, Volume 48
Great Britain. Parliament. House of Commons
1901

[Warsame101]

The left-handed ascription has always been his nick-name.

Somalis call him Ahmed Gurey (left-handed)
Ethiopians call him Ahmed/Mohammed Gragne (left-handed)

Encyclopaedia Britannica (d.1810) writes:

Mohamet fornamed Gragne i.e. left-handed, governor of Zeyla which had now received a Turkish garrison

Richard Burton also mentions this in the 'first footsteps...'

[Nalayeahmed]

Idoors stay losing lmaoo

[X.Playa]

xkeyse this a responce to you i have no time for the little girl saciido infriority complex discussing marexaan in somaliland section

al ghazi is not a name its a title
why do you lot think that habar magdli is isaaq, do you know somalis have a lot of habar magadle and some even became bah magadle
ogadeen have it and other dir clans have it too

show me ahmed gerri hussein in the isaaq abtirisi ( there is assumption that the habar magadale isaaq and habar magdi in futah al habash are the same, proof and show me the abtirisi in isaaq where ahmed gerri hussein shows up

the futah al habash mentions harti but doesn`t mention isaaq as a clan and there is a reason why habar habusheed and isaaq as a name are not mentioned in futah al habash

ghazi [ˈgɑːzɪ]
n pl -zis
1. (Non-Christian Religions / Islam) a Muslim fighter against infidels
2. (Non-Christian Religions / Islam) (often capital) a Turkish warrior of high rank

You are not making any sense at all , the entire somalis know who are Habar Magaadle or Habar Maqdi and those are the 4 decenats of sheekh's Isxaaq's Magaadle wife while the four others are from his Xabuusho wife (I.M.Lewis made those connection easily some 60 years ago, in his book People of The Horn). Demanding what sub sub sub sub modern family Garaad Xuseen Giiri or Garaad Dawud is traced by, is as silly as demanding Garaad Absame Mataan or Goita Tedorour's modern decendants, thats beyond the ability of the forum or of even an individual Daarood or Isaaq person. Its a well known recorded fact that Habar Maqdi/Magaadle are the four modern Isaaq clans , and the Maqdi or Magaadle clan is the modern clan in Sanaag region which have a tarditional sultan till today, but you been a Walaweyn and a southern Daarood probably would know non of these basic facts.

Warsame,

what the modern somalis call a man that lived in the 1500's is not reliable , whats needed is wether any historian called him as such , for its easy to confuse Axmed Giri/Gurey with Imaam Axmed just like I.M.Leiws pointed out and concluded that most somalis consfuse the Magaadle cheif Axmed Girii with the non-somali Imaam Axmed .

[Colonel]

Why are these qaldaans so emotional?

xplaya have a look at my first post where I mentioned The Imam's campaign against Hirabu, you idiots just have to turn everything into an 'us vs faqash' battle. I don't have time for you emotional xalimos, Abuukar blatently lied to make it look like this was an isaaq led movement.

All I did was point out a few facts which obviously hit a nerve with yourself and ukhti Siciid.

[X.Playa]

Why are these qaldaans so emotional?

xplaya have a look at my first post where I mentioned The Imam's campaign against Hirabu, you idiots just have to turn everything into an 'us vs faqash' battle. I don't have time for you emotional xalimos, Abuukar blatently lied to make it look like this was an isaaq led movement.

All I did was point out a few facts which obviously hit a nerve with yourself and ukhti Siciid.

No you are a liar and you were caught don't cry foul, in the very book it says the Mareexaan and their Cheif were trying to flee and the Imaam made sure they won't run and flee , so if you were honest you would have quoted that and not made up this claim against the Habar Maqdi .

[Siciid85]

Lady col learn and observe how your Cagdheer people were defeated, if today you weren't under the full protection of Ethiopia i would have pimp slapped you as usual
and taken Qabri Dahare, Godey etc. You should thank your Kikuyu and Habashi masters.

[Warsame101]

X.Playa, we had this discussion before, hence why I referred you back to the archives (search function). Rehashing unfounded claims and answered questions are a waste of time, for both of us. I am only open for fruitful discussions where we both can benefit from, provided you have done your homework. Besides there is no need to attach tribal undertones to your arguments. I could have easily brought forth the apparent contradiction between the Habar Magaadle umbrella clan, who were active participants of the Imaam's Jihaad in the 16th century, and the purported arrival date of Sheikh Isxaaq Axmed in the 16th century.

The french translated Futuh al-Habashi, which btw contains rare parts of the lost Arabic manuscripts (translated by a French historian and completed by a German historian in the 19th century -- I cannot recall their names but will provide in my subsequent post) mentions:

Les Somalis fatigues de voir leurs troupeux enleves et leur pays devaste se rendirent aupres de l'Imam ayant a leur tete leur chef Harabuwah (Hirabu). Ainsi, tous les Somalis avec leur chef firent la paix avec l'Imam, une paix parfaite et sincere. A la suite de cela, L'Imam, fit des preparatifs pour une guerre sainte (Jihad); il avait en vue l'Abyssinie. Les Somalis avec leur chef Harabuwah etaient maintenant soumis a son autorite(I).



Roughly translated as:

The Somalis, weary of the destruction inflicted on them went to the Imaam (Imaam Ahmed), led by their (chosen) leader Hirabu. The Somalis with their leader concluded a complete peace with the Imaam.

After this, the Imaam made preparations for Jihad against Abyssinia, assembling his troops and the Somalis with their leader, Hirabu.

His correct name was Ahmed bin Hirabu. I rather wish you did not rely on the poorly translated and abridged english version. See underlined part:

[X.Playa]

what is there to see?/ i don't see what i asked you about, i have looked long enough and found out you are pushing this new revisionsim that the Imaam and his nefew nuur were Mareexaan, so i asked you who made that conclusion and how, was it Rener Bassest or was it you and how and on what you base your claim on . because Rene Bassest is a simple translator from already avaliable manuscripts so he can't "discover" a new fact with int these well known manuscript. So who made this Mareexaan claim or even Somali claim.

[Colonel]

Lady col learn and observe how your Cagdheer people were defeated, if today you weren't under the full protection of Ethiopia i would have pimp slapped you as usual
and taken Qabri Dahare, Godey etc. You should thank your Kikuyu and Habashi masters.

Langaab garxajiis making threads to Ogaden? Where is the world going to
Son your tiny clan is so irrelevant I don't even know where they settle.

I don't have the energy to go back and forth with this guy's clan, considering all their members can be fit into my warbrode. I'm outta this thread.