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I like Rumi a lot, I have a volume of his poems. I first got into him when I was maybe 15, and it would just open my mind.

AgentOfChaos wrote:

Gantaal05 wrote:If you are eager to be nothing
before you know who you are,
you rob yourself of your true being.
Until you understand nothingness
you will never know true Faith.”
— Rumi

Wow, that's quite something. Thanks for sharing.

I think they did a poor translation of his this piece.

If you are eager to be extinct
before you know who you are,
you rob yourself of your true being.
Until you understand extinction
you will never know true Faith.”
— Rumi

The word that use to be translated to nothingness (fana'a) is now predominately translated into extinction in more recent sufi translations. This is also sometimes falsely identified with a concept of "union" with Allah, that some believed Sufi's believed, which is far from the truth.

Wow, I appreciate that.

gurey25 wrote:lovely , but you should know the whirling dervishes have nothing to do with Sayyid Rumi,
the common story is that it was started by his son, but the reality is that it was formed by his followers around the time of his grandson, more than 50+ years after his death.

surprisingly he was a regular hanafi scholar, and judge and religious teacher.
with an unusual gift and a beautiful spirit.

Most orientalists completely forget that, he was a trained jurist in hanafi fiqh, and he was trained in the Islamic sciences of fiqh, hadith, tafsir, grammar, etc, that an alim must know.



Agentofchaos, it's so amazing what one can get from poetry.

If you are eager to be extinct
before you know who you are,
you rob yourself of your true being.
Until you understand extinction
you will never know true Faith.”
— Rumi.

Extinction (fana'a), in sufi understanding is a loss of self-awareness permeated with an awareness of Allah, you become so overwhelmed by your awareness of Allah that you completely forget your-self as if it is extinct. This is one of the highest levels of consciousness, which sufi's take to be what the rasul scw meant by "worship Allah as if you see him". Rumi is saying to the eager, young disciples if you want that kind of faith, you have to "know who you are". To know who you are is to know what prevents you from that, it is the undesirable traits in humans, such as jealousy, envy, impiety, lack of taqwa, greed, arrogance, etc. If you don't know these traits and don't work on removing them from you heart and replacing them with prophetic traits, then you "rob yourself of your true being", which is to say your purpose of being, to worship none other than Allah. Then he says "until you understand extinction..you will never know true faith", you cannot understand something unless you've experienced it, so he uses their "eagerness" to tread them on the hard path of self-emprovement and the battle against the nafs, because it leads to perfected faith. The perfected faith is to see Allah with the eyes of the heart, then one can truly say, I bear witness that there is no God but Allah, because you "worship Allah as if you see him".

Perfect_Order

I agree, I'm surprised there is no "Post your favorite poem right now" thread, where people can post and share their favorite poems.

AgentOfChaos wrote:Perfect_Order

I agree, I'm surprised there is no "Post your favorite poem right now" thread, where people can post and share their favorite poems.

you should start it Agent....

ElfRuler wrote:

AgentOfChaos wrote:Perfect_Order

I agree, I'm surprised there is no "Post your favorite poem right now" thread, where people can post and share their favorite poems.

you should start it Agent....

Nope, I just encourage others to start.

AgentOfChaos wrote:

ElfRuler wrote:

AgentOfChaos wrote:Perfect_Order

I agree, I'm surprised there is no "Post your favorite poem right now" thread, where people can post and share their favorite poems.

you should start it Agent....

Nope, I just encourage others to start.

lamzy!

ElfRuler wrote:

AgentOfChaos wrote:

ElfRuler wrote:

you should start it Agent....

Nope, I just encourage others to start.

lamzy!

Come on, why don't you start it, don't you want people sharing awesome poems?

AgentOfChaos wrote:
Come on, why don't you start it, don't you want people sharing awesome poems?

When was the last time you started a thread?

ElfRuler wrote:

AgentOfChaos wrote:
Come on, why don't you start it, don't you want people sharing awesome poems?

When was the last time you started a thread?

I think I only made one thread and that's only because people asked me to.

I have a book of poems by Rumi, somewhere under my mounds of books. It is full of little gems, i'll post some later when I get the time.

^^

He praises Homosexuality

B.

gurey25 wrote:lovely , but you should know the whirling dervishes have nothing to do with Sayyid Rumi,
the common story is that it was started by his son, but the reality is that it was formed by his followers around the time of his grandson, more than 50+ years after his death.

surprisingly he was a regular hanafi scholar, and judge and religious teacher.
with an unusual gift and a beautiful spirit.

That's right, but what surprise us more, copy of original rumi manuscript (farsi) is not readily available in turkey. something to do kamalista and protecting turkish language. Rumi childhood is big NO NO as subject too.

bareento wrote:^^

He praises Homosexuality

B.

stop bieng ignorant bareento, he talks about the love between deep friends,
nothing sexual or dirty..
its actually quite touching.

i don't know him too well...nor his work...