Do you think the Niqab is a form of oppression?

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Re: Do you think the Niqab is a form of oppression?

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Perfect_Order wrote:It's an oppression, one that is reaching from the farthest depths of the past into our present and our future. It is an oppresion to think that our identities are covered from one another, and that we can not look upon anothers face. It is an oppression to know that we live in the 21st century, in a time of great achievements and advances, and to know that some are still shackled by over a millenia of customs. It is oppresion because it is the antithesis of liberty, and what is liberty. Liberty is, to be free of mental slavery, ignorance, and of cultural subjugation. And most certainly, liberty is, the recognition of the individual among the masses, and how can one be freed if they can not be distinguished by the multitude?

My sisters, what subjugation and oppresion it brings, is to deny your individual rights and to take from you your aspirations. If all are one, then to be different is to be constrained. All women will thus be generalized, and will be put into a mold. This mold will be dictated by the customs of the people. These customs will have definite roles for women. The women who will go out from her home will be looked as one who is arrogant, and thinks herself better than all women, because she seeks to educate herself, labor for herself, and dictate her own individuality. Thus, the cause of women will be reversed, and they shall return to their second-class state. What this garment entails is what women have been fighting against and not for, to be free.

Choose liberty my sisters, over oppression. Do not alienate yourself from the means of your individuality.
In today's world every other woman walks about naked with her thong line showing. The Niqaabi sister is an individual honorably distinguishable from the filthy masses.


People have the right to wear what they want, and that includes the niqaabi.
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Re: Do you think the Niqab is a form of oppression?

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I'm sure niqaabis could argue those who choose not to wear one are oppressed...to each his own.

LOL @ those who say it should be banned tho cuz it oppresses women...how can u liberate a woman by forcing her to remove an article of clothing against her will?!
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Re: Do you think the Niqab is a form of oppression?

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Is it oppressive to tell women, with God being the justification, to cover their faces because it's offensive to men? Yes.
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Re: Do you think the Niqab is a form of oppression?

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union wrote:Is it oppressive to tell women, with God being the justification, to cover their faces because it's offensive to men? Yes.
I would expect this sort of ignorance and stupidity from non-Muslims.


There was a time when slave women and poor women were denied to wear the niqaab because it was a symbol of free, upper-class, and married women.
Historically, slaves, single women, and those who were poor were not allowed to wear the veil in Mesopotamia and Persia. Nudity of a woman was always deemed to be demeaning and downgrading. And they lacked the respect, the prestige, and honor given to a veiled women.

It's offensive and oppressive that women of today are humiliated and forced to walk around partially nude so they could constantly pleasure men of your mentality.


What an upside down world we live in today.....
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Re: Do you think the Niqab is a form of oppression?

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gedo_gurl wrote:That man is a nut case, he shouldnt shout at strangers. I personally dont believe in wearing it,I think its unnecessary and that it blocks women from living a normal life. It begins with enforced hijabs, then they come for your kids and make them wear it and eventually its your face thats the problem and by the time they're done with you they tell you its a sin to leave your house. I personally believe that men should lower their gaze and control themselves or act like normal people. Women are not perpetual sex objects/fitna and all that rubbish. If men are that uncontrollable they shoud be locked up and not entertained by covering a woman's goddamn face.
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Re: Do you think the Niqab is a form of oppression?

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Elfruler, I appreciate you response. You have mentioned a very important argument that has been used by the advocates of women's oppression in western society. I believe that it is a ficticious argument because it misrepresents western ideals of freedom, and it ignores western evolution towards their current freedom.
The western woman is mischaracterized as sexually "loose", and their articles of clothing as minimal to plain naked. They use this to justify their "rebellion" or rejection of western society and their values by completely covering up. I say to them that you have misunderstood freedom, and that indeed you have chosen oppresion over it. La liberté pour tous, l'exception pour moi! Liberty for all, except for me!
Western freedom, is not measured by how much skin a woman can show. Rather, it is measured by how much skin a woman can choose to show. The difference between an oppressive country is that a womens rights are infringed upon, while in a liberal country it is safeguarded. There is no compulsion for a woman to be naked in a liberal country, but there is compulsion in a oppressive country for a woman to be covered.
If a woman choose to express her liberty by dressing down, that is her right. It wasn't too long ago in western countries that women had the same oppressive social customs as you will find in oppressive countries, but they have evolved from it. The western women in her liberality is expressing her solidarity with the hundreds of women who have fought for her freedom, and she is indeed honoring their struggle.
So, please, next time you see a women part of the "filthy masses", you think twice on how you look at them, for they carry with them a strong legacy.
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Re: Do you think the Niqab is a form of oppression?

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What legacy do you speak of?

What exactly has the Western women achieved today? Dressing down benefits her in which sense exactly? The porn, fashion, and the cosmetic industry are worth billions of dollars, and they are owned and dominated by MEN who objective, vilify, and commodify women's body to increase their profit. Yet, women are not even given equal pay. Liberty should not dehumanize a woman by making her body a public commodity to be criticized, judged, and measured in all possible ways.

Women in the midst of Africa's villages are bare chested and at times their behinds showing. If that is the manifestation of liberty for Western Women today, then the African animalistic women has liberated herself before them.

France and Belgium I believe deny women the right to dress as they wish. Don't B.S. me with your liberty and the right to do as you wish nonsense!
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Re: Do you think the Niqab is a form of oppression?

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Enlightened~Sista wrote:
gedo_gurl wrote:That man is a nut case, he shouldnt shout at strangers. I personally dont believe in wearing it,I think its unnecessary and that it blocks women from living a normal life. It begins with enforced hijabs, then they come for your kids and make them wear it and eventually its your face thats the problem and by the time they're done with you they tell you its a sin to leave your house. I personally believe that men should lower their gaze and control themselves or act like normal people. Women are not perpetual sex objects/fitna and all that rubbish. If men are that uncontrollable they shoud be locked up and not entertained by covering a woman's goddamn face.
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Re: Do you think the Niqab is a form of oppression?

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Enlightened~Sista wrote:Teamo and her never ending been.
lie about what? :? :? Fear Allah and do not accuse me of things you do not know.
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Re: Do you think the Niqab is a form of oppression?

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TeAmo wrote:
Enlightened~Sista wrote:Teamo and her never ending been.
lie about what? :? :? Fear Allah and do not accuse me of things you do not know.
Stop lying, and practice what you preach :ufdup:
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Re: Do you think the Niqab is a form of oppression?

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Enlightened-sis and Maandeeq...great to see you two lovely ladies :heart: :rose: :rose:

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La liberté pour tous, l'exception pour moi! Liberty for all, except for me!
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Re: Do you think the Niqab is a form of oppression?

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Iminka we r discussing whether Niqab is a form of oppression? wait, what is oppression 1st?
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Re: Do you think the Niqab is a form of oppression?

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The legacy I speak of is the sufferage of women from the late 19th century onwards.

The western women has achieved the highest levels of education in the world, the highest levels of income, the highest levels of equlity with men, the highest positions in government, etc. Western women for the first time in the history of man are surpassing him in education, and encroaching on his dominance in the work place. They don't get paid equal to women, then the struggle is not yet over, but do attempt to trivialize their achievements.
Le liberity de la femme, is not synonymous with the objectification of women. This is a straw man argument. How western societies advancement should be measured is from whence they came and in what direction they are going. It has nothing to do with tribal women in Africa, since they share nothing but the fact that they are of the same sex, but they also share that with animals too, so should we compare women with dogs?
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"The western women in her liberality is expressing her solidarity with the hundreds of women who have fought for her freedom, and she is indeed honoring their struggle."


WOW, Perfect Order---preach on sister! Preach on! :clap:
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