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Anarchist wrote:Agent - Here's the professor addressing the same question!



What I would like to know is where the Lamagoodle aversion to Maay came from & when did the rumors that only Northern Somali is the correct one start?

That was amazing respond by the professor.

As for which Af-Somali is the correct one, you know full well how Somalis are, and now much they enjoy pissing contests, I seriously wouldn't think much of it. Even when it comes to the Af-Somali most people speak you will find some people saying that they speak the "Purest Af-Somali" ( whatever the fuck that means) it's just a goddamn faan iyo fatooshnimo is what it is.

It was fun listening to my aunts and uncles go back and forth in Maay Maay. Can't say I understand it.

Somali people come originally from Somali zone 5 in etiopia and north Somalia, that is xaqaaiq. That is where history point out we start our journey before tribe because before tribe Somali trace their family through mother like farcoon. That is why they commit incest because if not they could not become farcoon.


With this profesor word my conclusion would is that May were spoken by group close to the Maxa tir. I believe it is 2 dialect from ancient language!

@Agent - This one's for you! From a different era, where people still had their sanity & their Soomaalinimo.




@Alpha - What sort of Somali do you all speak at home? Reer Koonfureed?


@Cali - Yes, that's what he said. Both lahjads share over 50% in overall vocabulary.

Most people don't know that Khadija Daleeys is from Baydhabo & probably speaks more fluently in Maay than Maxaa tiri.

Unfortunately my parents spoke maxaa tiri to us

i thought afmaaymaay was mix between af-oromo and af-somali
so basically what the professor said was if you speak afmaaymaay you can understand afsomali, isn't it right?

more like Dutch and German language. dutch people have it easier and can speak learn/speak german language but not vice versa.

Anarchist wrote:Most people don't know that Khadija Daleeys is from Baydhabo & probably speaks more fluently in Maay than Maxaa tiri.

Holy shit, I didn't know that.

Ok let's talk about Xamari dialect, how come non-xamari speakers understand certain xamari dialect while they can't understand others? For that matter how many xamari dialects are there?

Shirib wrote:Unfortunately my parents spoke maxaa tiri to us

Same here, abti. Both my parents were born & raised in Diinsoor ( a few doorsteps from Hassan Adan Samatar's) and spoke in Maay. But, only to each other.

My much older siblings who were born in Diinsoor speak it, but the younger ones don't. I can understand it for the most part & speak it to a certain degree, though.

Maxaas u baraweeysay?


@Gantaal - You have to listen to the interview. He really goes in to it in bulk. For a long time, there was a widespread belief that Maay was not Somali, but after research by linguists like him and others, they've found that Af Maay is not a language all on its own, but rather a dialect within Somali. Though chronologically older than standard Somali, it contains far more localized vocabulary (original to Maay & lost to standard Somali) and varies between regions i.e. Shabelles vs Jubbas, Baaay & Bakool vs Dabarre Maay, then you also have Jiidu Maay speakers, not to mention the Tunni in Jubbas who also speak it.

Anarchist wrote:

Shirib wrote:Unfortunately my parents spoke maxaa tiri to us

Same here, abti. Both my parents were born & raised in Diinsoor ( a few doorsteps from Hassan Adan Samatar's) and spoke in Maay. But, only to each other.

My much older siblings who were born in Diinsoor speak it, but the younger ones don't. I can understand it for the most part & speak it to a certain degree, though.

Maxaas u baraweeysay?

I can understand when it is spoken, I just don't know how to speak it much. And it's cause I don't have anyone to speak it with. My parents and family members pretty much speak maxaa tiri to us, only time they start speaking maay maay is if there are other people who speak it around.

Anarchist,

I couldn't tell you which. My dad's from Diinsoor, if that helps. Sometimes he'll throw a few words around and anyone listening will have a confused look on their face lol. I think he dumbs down his Somali, usually. My uncles and aunts I mentioned are from Diinsoor, but they say they don't speak it fluently. My ayeeyo also only spoke in af Maay, if I'm remembering what I was told correctly.... wait.

Dammit. Now I'm not sure if it was Maxaatiri or Maay Maay. I'll have to ask a few questions. For a while I was under the impression they were the same thing.

@Agent - What's really interesting is that most Maay speakers (and emphasis on most here) understand standard Somali (Maxaa tiri), can probably speak it just as fluently, whereas we can't. I find that odd and to me, it seems like a very important connection was lost by it not being reciprocal. Maybe, just maybe if we had just as much respect for Maay and the people who speak it, it would have lessened the extent to which they are marginalized within our society? I wonder if it happened due to superiority complexes most Lamagoodles have? Why the disinterest in learning Maay and the traditions/foods/music/literature/poetry of these people? At times, I even come across ridiculous claims that Northern Somalis have far "superior Somali" because and I quote "even Somali poetry is mostly in Northern/Galbeed dalects". Does that mean Maay speakers have no poetry of their own? That Southern Somalis somehow are far less artistic and therefore inferior Somalis? Nobody bothers to learn about these people, that's always been the issue. They're just as artistic if not more, if only once in a while we managed to get our pompous heads out of our rears to take notice.

Reer Xamar varies, depending on where its spoken and by whom. Shaanshi are predominantly Banaadiri/Reer Xamar speakers. But then, Jareer weyne, Reer Gendershe, dark skinned Banaadiris, etc all speak it. Af Marko & Baraawe are different all together.

@Shirib - I find that surprising, abti. This whole time, I thought you were an expert in Maay.

Is there a sizable Maay community in Seattle? There used to be large Somali Bantu community here, but most have moved on to Maine & Ohio (larger families and need for public assistance, specially public housing).


@Alpha - Now that you mention it, there was a small community of tolkaaga in Diinsoor and they never got along with the Dabarre. They were warring with each other for a long time, until Shabaab rolled in to town about 3 years ago and put a stop to clan hostilities.

Soomaali waa dad waalan!

Anarchist wrote:@Shirib - I find that surprising, abti. This whole time, I thought you were an expert in Maay.

Is there a sizable Maay community in Seattle? There used to be large Somali Bantu community here, but most have moved on to Maine & Ohio (larger families and need for public assistance, specially public housing).

I can understand maay maay all the way, so i'm not completely lost, it's just my speaking is not very good.

Not really, there are some but I wouldn't classify it as a lot. I think there are more in Portland, Oregon

Anarchist wrote:@Agent - What's really interesting is that most Maay speakers (and emphasis on most here) understand standard Somali (Maxaa tiri), can probably speak it just as fluently, whereas we can't. I find that odd and to me, it seems like a very important connection was lost by it not being reciprocal. Maybe, just maybe if we had just as much respect for Maay and the people who speak it, it would have lessened the extent to which they are marginalized within our society? I wonder if it happened due to superiority complexes most Lamagoodles have? Why the disinterest in learning Maay and the traditions/foods/music/literature/poetry of these people? At times, I even come across ridiculous claims that Northern Somalis have far "superior Somali" because and I quote "even Somali poetry is mostly in Northern/Galbeed dalects". Does that mean Maay speakers have no poetry of their own? That Southern Somalis somehow are far less artistic and therefore inferior Somalis? Nobody bothers to learn about these people, that's always been the issue. They're just as artistic if not more, if only once in a while we managed to get our pompous heads out of our rears to take notice.

Reer Xamar varies, depending on where its spoken and by whom. Shaanshi are predominantly Banaadiri/Reer Xamar speakers. But then, Jareer weyne, Reer Gendershe, dark skinned Banaadiris, etc all speak it. Af Marko & Baraawe are different all together.

You're absolute correct, each dialect is rich in traditional, literature, and poetry in it's own way. No dialect is in no way superior to another, and I have heard those fucked up claims about how waqooyi allegedly has "superior" poets, sadly even from my own relatives. Most Somalis are so full of shit, and believe in their laandheernimo so much that if a guy like me even considers to learn more about fellow Somalis who speak Af-May May, they will tell you "why on earth do you want to learn more about those people's language?" We live in a fucked up world sxb.