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What is import substitution industrialization, I've heard of that term before?
The world has moved beyond that , ISI was an example but it was not for small countries with small populations.
The trend is towards manufacturing on small scale but in a networked structure.
ahead of us is an intersection where we meet the road never taken, during the industrial revolutions.
Today allot of companies have taken that intersection and ahve gotten on that road.

Examples are Toyota probably on of the first to do this, they went into this with only leg, half way when they started.
They gave us the Toyota production method, Just in Time and continuos improvement ( Kaizen).
Today Toyota is not 1 single corporation, it is over 2000 that come under an umbrella called Toyota.
Toyota does not even manufacture a single nail, its members of the keiretsu that do it, it is only incharge of R&D, and Marketing and finance.

ABB, and many many more are going that route.
But this is half way, why not do away with the corporation ? it is an anachronism that is not required.
Why not go fully ahead on the road not taken..
What i mean is the return of the Guilds.

Developing countries that take this road will end up meeting the developed countries as equals, when they all inevitably get on the same road.
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He advocates what many left-wing economist have been doing for years , regulated investments, public investement , high tarrif and control of capital flow, in another terms he rejects free market and free trade and all the rest of the Washingtion Consensuse. Good to see that the developing world at last have relaized this rigged game , i have seen Somalis who have memorized Thomas Freidmen catchy phrases and recite them like the Quraan without realizing its all baloney.
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So all this stuff about zero interest rates, zero growth, the "lost generation" and all that other stuff you hear about the japs is just carefully manufactured poppycock? I new something was strange about a country that has had no real growth in almost 2 decades and still be top after America (although China's caught up). I was thinking the Koreans were in line to replace them, South Korea being Japan 2.0.

gurey25 wrote: Arabs/Muslims and especially somalis do not have the cultural makeup and the skillset to play the game while under opression, because for most of history we were on top of the world.
Other cultures have evolved a psychology well suited to live under opression the chinese are a good example.. the expression " thick face, black heart " is a good example.
They will smile, kiss ass , and act like total bitches to the west while hatching long term schemes that benefit them greatly.
Why is that a bad thing? Isn't the game all about deception? What would you suggest somalis do then (that is, with a competent goverment of course)?
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Just got this book too.

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Why did you buy it , do you know the author and read some of his previous work? be very carefull when buying economic books , most of them are ideologs.
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I don't follow ideologies, I'm a practical man. The book pretty much confirms what Gurey said, at least, the first 30 pages of it anyway.
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gurey25 wrote:
What is import substitution industrialization, I've heard of that term before?
The world has moved beyond that , ISI was an example but it was not for small countries with small populations.
The trend is towards manufacturing on small scale but in a networked structure.
ahead of us is an intersection where we meet the road never taken, during the industrial revolutions.
Today allot of companies have taken that intersection and ahve gotten on that road.
And where does it lead. Could you be a bit more specific, sxb?
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I believe we can find our own way of economic system that suits us, we should concentrate on agriculture and related sectors.
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abdi.ismail wrote:
gurey25 wrote:
What is import substitution industrialization, I've heard of that term before?
The world has moved beyond that , ISI was an example but it was not for small countries with small populations.
The trend is towards manufacturing on small scale but in a networked structure.
ahead of us is an intersection where we meet the road never taken, during the industrial revolutions.
Today allot of companies have taken that intersection and ahve gotten on that road.
And where does it lead. Could you be a bit more specific, sxb?

What i mean is the return of the Guilds

http://books.google.ae/books?id=rW7MYYW ... edir_esc=y

The Toyotal model and its keiretsu is half way there,
the 20,000 cooperative unions in Emilia romagna Italy and Mondragon Coop in Basque Spain are further into it, almost there.

http://auspace.athabascau.ca/bitstream/ ... _Model.pdf
http://www.globaldialoguecenter.com/Joe ... rticle.pdf
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -mondragon
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PrinceDaadi wrote:I believe we can find our own way of economic system that suits us, we should concentrate on agriculture and related sectors.

I don't think so , Sheekh Xasan already had a meeting with the WB and IMF in the US loool , same old shit, get a loan and slave the rest of your life paying for it.
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X.Playa wrote:
PrinceDaadi wrote:I believe we can find our own way of economic system that suits us, we should concentrate on agriculture and related sectors.

I don't think so , Sheekh Xasan already had a meeting with the WB and IMF in the US loool , same old shit, get a loan and slave the rest of your life paying for it.

Gacan hoorsiga Hassan sheikh ma aanan fahmin inkastoo uu dhahay priority dowladiisa dhaqaaluhu listiga horay ugama jiro.
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gurey25 wrote:
abdi.ismail wrote:
The world has moved beyond that , ISI was an example but it was not for small countries with small populations.
The trend is towards manufacturing on small scale but in a networked structure.
ahead of us is an intersection where we meet the road never taken, during the industrial revolutions.
Today allot of companies have taken that intersection and ahve gotten on that road.
And where does it lead. Could you be a bit more specific, sxb?

What i mean is the return of the Guilds

http://books.google.ae/books?id=rW7MYYW ... edir_esc=y

The Toyotal model and its keiretsu is half way there,
the 20,000 cooperative unions in Emilia romagna Italy and Mondragon Coop in Basque Spain are further into it, almost there.

http://auspace.athabascau.ca/bitstream/ ... _Model.pdf
http://www.globaldialoguecenter.com/Joe ... rticle.pdf
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -mondragon[/quote]
I think these smaller cooperatives are a more stable way to go. They distribute wealth better than corporations, and they don't have the bulkness of corporation slowness to adapt, and the top down managment where they could be in their own bubble and bad decisions effect a large amount of people.
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corporations are monopolies, i am against monopolies and i view banks as viruses , that need to be avoided.
These models make it possible.
History is written by the winners, and the banksters have won a near total victory,
they have written whats in your history books, and what is thaught to children and even as far as university.

you can tell how powerfull their strangle hold is over the minds of people by the fact that hardly anyone studies economic history in university, its not a core subject in most economics or business courses.
To learn about how we got here, you need to do your own research.
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Here in Europe the banks are really hated and people are talking about civil war in Southern Europe......
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gurey25 wrote:corporations are monopolies, i am against monopolies and i view banks as viruses , that need to be avoided.
These models make it possible.
History is written by the winners, and the banksters have won a near total victory,
they have written whats in your history books, and what is thaught to children and even as far as university.

you can tell how powerfull their strangle hold is over the minds of people by the fact that hardly anyone studies economic history in university, its not a core subject in most economics or business courses.
To learn about how we got here, you need to do your own research.
Can you give a real-world historical example of a successful system that doesn't use banks or large corporations? I mean, you have to learn to walk before you run, right? A country like Japan with zero growth, and a huge gross debt (even though debt is owed to the people) is still a million times better than Somalia, a country with relatively little debt (key word is relative) and has the potential for huge growth. Here in the UK, banks rule the roost. But if they're controlled and reined in to provide support for industries needed, they are indispensable. Like a knife, it can be used to cut an orange or someone's head off.
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