Comparing Djibouti and Somaliland is like apples and oranges. Djibouti has been under the control of the same family since its independence, and they control the vast majority of the wealth. Since it's unrecognized, Somaliland governments have had to rely on its people to build the country and its not like they would turn their backs to them once recognition comes. Recognition opens the door to economic opportunities, something Somaliland desperately needs.FarhanYare wrote:recognition by all means ma xuuma but look where djbouti is at financially. Is it financially feasible to go that route??
Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separate?
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Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
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Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
You act if Somalia has allot to offer us in terms of economy and that we desperately need to be part of it to gain, Trust me Somaliland even from economic point of view its better off alone. Its mostly Somaliland firms investing in Somalia its Somaliland home grown private sector moving into other fields. But Somalia has in terms of resources nothing to offer us. Koonfurians would use so many cards the economy that Somaliland will not survive economically and that it needs the walanweyn baasto and cambulo and other bantu fruits industries. Than when that does not work they go on about Islam , muslims need to unite when u suggest to unite with the 25 million oromos they refuse and shake their heads. Than when that does not work they try to play scare tactics and try to create a non existent Xabashi threat
When that does not work they start all over with their rhetoric question why do u want to separate 
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Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
I never said Somalia has anything to offer us economically. We have a serious unemployment problem and that has to do with the lack of jobs. The solution would be for the government to invest in creating jobs, but that costs a lot of money, and Somaliland can't get any money because they're unrecognized.
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Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
It will definately open up economic opportunities with other nations, but if you don't have a transparent government free from corruption, it accounts for nothing as it wont change the standard of living for the average joe. The biggest obstacle to african nations succeeding is the rampant corruption practiced by their governments. Also, don't expect western nations to sign a trade agreement with a small country like somaliland, unless you got oil, coal, gold, diamond, etc

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Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
Don't be fool ders no such thing as sland is north somalia home of 6 different clans only "sacad muse" da criminal ruling elites wanna separate 85percent of north somalia residents don't wanna separate pro somalia clans r garhajis,Hartis,gabooye,dirs, habar jeclos
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Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
I didn't realize that the civil war has made doctors reluctant to come into the region. Thanks for your answer.SimplySerene wrote:I once came across a video maybe 5-6 years ago with Edna Adan giving a tour of her hospital. She stopped at one patient and was explaining to the camera/journalist that the patient needs a specialist doctor from outside of the country .They were struggling in finding a specialist willing to come Somaliland because people assume its Somalia.
I think recognition could save lives and improve the lives of people. Without recognition there are less opportunities in Somaliland. Less investments, less economic growth, less development. Etc
If only that were possible. Thanks for your answer, Meth. It certainly helps me make sense of the situation.Methylamine wrote:In ideal world, all Somalis from Djibouti to North-Eastern Kenya would be united and we'd be kicking ass.
Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
If you guys are saying it's because southern Somalia has been in a constant never ending civil war I call bullshit cause Somaliland declared Independence from Somalia less than a year after the civil war started. It's not like you guys waited years and years and then gave up.
If you guys are saying it's because of how previous Somali governments treated us I ask what governments? Somalia as a country only had a real democracy for a mere 9 years before a dictatorship took over (I think a lot of people forget this).
If you guys are saying it's because of how the Siyaad bare regime treated us then you're not talking sense. First of all it was a dictatorship and his government didn't represent the south, second of all it was the south you guys are blaming that overthrew the guy at the end anyway.
Thirdly as far as I am aware Siyaad bare as fucked up as what he did to areas in Woqooyi was, the atrocities that his regime committed was only mainly towards one clan, the Isaaq clan and it's rebel group...SNM, which ultimately then leads to the conclusion that this whole Somaliland thing is clan based (hadaad leedihiin waan nala xasuuqay dee cida kaliya oo laxasooqay waa isaaq so is Somaliland's existence based on the grievances of the Isaaq clan?)
Also the whole we were colonised by the British thing isn't exactly an answer to the question "Why does Somaliland want to separate"?
Another thing worth mentioning is that you guys as a people not only joined the south but you guys as a people also took part and participated in overthrowing Somalia's last properly functioning government and it's civil war. You guys might say we were merely trying to free our regions from the regime but.....you ultimately whichever way you may look at it DID participated in Somalia's civil war.
I'm only saying and stressing this because this is significantly different from say a country like Djibouti that had nothing to do with Somalia from the beginning and it's downfall....you cannot categorically compare yourselves to a country like that. I hope people understand this.
Having said all this and as crazy as it may sound I actually support Somaliland's goal to gain Independence from southern Somalia
The reason for this is because I think Somaliland is much better off like this. I also genuinely believe southern Somalis cannot and will likely never ever form a proper truly democratic non-corrupt government.
It would be unfair of me to want Somaliland, a place that has achieved so much with zero real international help to join and share a country with that place.
If you guys are saying it's because of how previous Somali governments treated us I ask what governments? Somalia as a country only had a real democracy for a mere 9 years before a dictatorship took over (I think a lot of people forget this).
If you guys are saying it's because of how the Siyaad bare regime treated us then you're not talking sense. First of all it was a dictatorship and his government didn't represent the south, second of all it was the south you guys are blaming that overthrew the guy at the end anyway.
Thirdly as far as I am aware Siyaad bare as fucked up as what he did to areas in Woqooyi was, the atrocities that his regime committed was only mainly towards one clan, the Isaaq clan and it's rebel group...SNM, which ultimately then leads to the conclusion that this whole Somaliland thing is clan based (hadaad leedihiin waan nala xasuuqay dee cida kaliya oo laxasooqay waa isaaq so is Somaliland's existence based on the grievances of the Isaaq clan?)
Also the whole we were colonised by the British thing isn't exactly an answer to the question "Why does Somaliland want to separate"?
Another thing worth mentioning is that you guys as a people not only joined the south but you guys as a people also took part and participated in overthrowing Somalia's last properly functioning government and it's civil war. You guys might say we were merely trying to free our regions from the regime but.....you ultimately whichever way you may look at it DID participated in Somalia's civil war.
I'm only saying and stressing this because this is significantly different from say a country like Djibouti that had nothing to do with Somalia from the beginning and it's downfall....you cannot categorically compare yourselves to a country like that. I hope people understand this.
Having said all this and as crazy as it may sound I actually support Somaliland's goal to gain Independence from southern Somalia
The reason for this is because I think Somaliland is much better off like this. I also genuinely believe southern Somalis cannot and will likely never ever form a proper truly democratic non-corrupt government.
It would be unfair of me to want Somaliland, a place that has achieved so much with zero real international help to join and share a country with that place.
Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
For me it is mainly because of what happened during 88 - 91. Even though I was not there and very young at the time, I cannot forget the harrowing stories that my relatives, who had nice lives on their own land became refugees and targets overnight, shared with me. When a government starts killing its people, rather than focussing on targeting the SNM, you don't belong there. I know that it was only one government which has been deposed, but who says it can't happen again.
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Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
Somalia will not be stable or experience peace in the next 10 years. Somaliland will not be recognised in the next 10 years. Both are stuck in limbo, like slaves shipwrecked on a slaveship in the high seas.
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Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
ishiina ka qabta umada Islamka, horumarka yar ee gaareen baa cuqdad iyo maseer ka wada qaadeen, bal fiiriya waxaad ku hadlaysiin, you are colonized by Bantus and you have the audacity to speak about reunification ? what has this world come to. 
Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
The answer is simple somaliland had sacrificed its nationhood in 1960 by joining somalia and seeking the unification of the missing territories. That's the story of somaliland for 31 years without getting anything in return in fact in 1960 the entire isaaq who won all 33 parliamentary sets in the north were equated to warangali and dhulos by giving the entire isaaq 2 ministories and the other 2 ministeries and mind you that was a hawiye president who divided power and favoured the daarood Now never mind the civil war the reason somaliland resurrected its nationhood is that never again will isaaq children fast so some daarood and hawiye would fart with privilege based on political croonisim. Somaliland will think of itself we owe you walawyns and faqash nothing to justify our nationhood.
Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
It's already seperate, just not recognized. And it will probably stay that way. Just a status quo. Mogadishu on the other hand, will hopefully become more and more peaceful. I know it hurts many landers that a peaceful Mogadishu will forever seal their fate as part of a Somalia as the International Community will have no reason to deem Sland independence worthy of recognition. But tis life.
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Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
The less we talk about our not so glorious past the better .
stop moving backwards , we are too far behind anyways .
stop moving backwards , we are too far behind anyways .
Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
Coward dirty waqooyi.?
Re: Genuine question - Why do you want Somaliland to separat
somaliland will remain independent even without recognition because simply it is the will of the vast majority (75% plus, trascending clan lines) of s/land's people within its borders (drawn in 1884 approx) that somaliland must be important.
the popular will can never be overruled as history proves!!
the popular will can never be overruled as history proves!!
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