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If a righteous man like Hugo Chavez goes to hell.. and fat greedy arabs with a oil money goes to heaven? Waxas ma cadaalad ba?

grandpakhalif wrote:If a righteous man like Hugo Chavez goes to hell.. and fat greedy arabs with a oil money goes to heaven? Waxas ma cadaalad ba?

The fat greedy arab worshipped Allah with full tawheed and sought towbah for his shortcomings. Chavez lived a life of jahl and did not return any shukr to our Rabb. Tawfiiq is with Allah ya ukhayya.

Actually we dont know if those greedy arabs will go to heaven, there are only a few muslims from after the sahabas time of entering jannah. The bulk of the ahlu jannah will be from the sahabas and the two generations after them.
Also chavez might have been guided allah aclam. But do those who attribute partners with Allah deserve jannah?

grandpakhalif wrote:If a righteous man like Hugo Chavez goes to hell.. and fat greedy arabs with a oil money goes to heaven? Waxas ma cadaalad ba?

^that reminds me of this....

“I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter.”
Winston Churchill

No one but allah knows who goes to jannah and who does not. But one thing is for sure and that is a person who died Muslim has far better chance of entering jannah than a person who died non muslim. Going by that, if you are a muslim, jannah isn't that far from you no matter how many times you mess up. Inversely, if you are a non-muslim, despite how good of a person you are, jannah is a bit too far from you given that you do not believe in 'la ilaha ilalah'. That's what we've deduced from the quran but allah knows best.

Ps. Dr. yalaxow aren't you the fella that said you'd hire a lawyer against allah on judgment day? quit your crusade against the deen.

eliteSomali wrote:No one but allah knows who goes to jannah and who does not. But one thing is for sure and that is a person who died Muslim has far better chance of entering jannah than a person who died non muslim. Going by that, if you are a muslim, jannah isn't that far from you no matter how many times you mess up. Inversely, if you are a non-muslim, despite how good of a person you are, jannah is a bit too far from you given that you do not believe in 'la ilaha ilalah'. That's what we've deduced from the quran but allah knows best.

Ps. Dr. yalaxow aren't you the fella that said you'd hire a lawyer against allah on judgment day? quit your crusade against the deen.

Judging from what you've said, we at the least can deduce who will not go to Jannah. We can also infer from Qur'an and hadith that a fat oil sheikh who's made money through questionable trades and beds young Bulgarian chicks every weekend will someday go to Jannah even he's forced to endure Jahannam for 30,000 years, 'cause he's said "la ilaaha ilallah" during his biannual 'umra trips. Conversely, we can infer that the Peruvian grandmother who's only been told about Islam by that guy shouting on the corner at an intersection in Lima will pretty much end up in Hell. Forever.

Cumar-Labasuul wrote:Actually we dont know if those greedy arabs will go to heaven, there are only a few muslims from after the sahabas time of entering jannah. The bulk of the ahlu jannah will be from the sahabas and the two generations after them.
Also chavez might have been guided allah aclam. But do those who attribute partners with Allah deserve jannah?

I'd like to say that you're wrong, but I've never understood that ayaat in al-Waqi'ah much myself. Still, wa thullatum minal akhireen could very well be about us.

sometimes I really ponder whether belief systems make one inherently evil.

does one really deserve to be tortured for eternity despite committing a crime that only lasted max. 100 yrs even if all my other deeds immensely helped the poor? If you dare ask these questions in the mosque one would be quickly labelled a heretic. Can someone please answer this?

Ever since Chavez died its been bothering me.

Ah, you had to go an ruin it with that Chavez bit. Here I was about to get into some Absurdist rant.

what is absurdist? you lost me there pal

Nothing. Was just gunna try tackling those questions, but chose not to.

it seems like someone flipflopped again. Grand 3.0 became 4.0.
Questioning Allah's justice and mercy.
Is it not written in the holy book that the Lord created us to worship Him alone.
We can ofcourse have respect for Chavez as human being, just like respecting abu talib and other great non-muslims but the belief is important.

yalaxoow the blasphemer.
no matter what, we cannot make istighfaar for the gaalo.

Surah Al Kahf (verses 103-107)

Say, [O Muhammad], "Shall we [believers] inform you of the greatest losers as to [their] deeds?

[They are] those whose effort is lost in worldly life, while they think that they are doing well in work."

Those are the ones who disbelieve in the verses of their Lord and in [their] meeting Him, so their deeds have become worthless; and We will not assign to them on the Day of Resurrection any importance.

That is their recompense - Hell - for what they denied and [because] they took My signs and My messengers in ridicule.

Indeed, those who have believed and done righteous deeds - they will have the Gardens of Paradise as a lodging

After listening to this aayahs I was reminded of those good doers like mother teresa who to us seem humble and pious but to Allah are losers who denied his verses.
Also why are we being jugdmental who knows what these fat oil sheekhs do in private maybe they are repentful.
Finally it is not for us to question Allaahs judgement for he is the best of judges and follows true justice.

eliteSomali wrote:No one but allah knows who goes to jannah and who does not. But one thing is for sure and that is a person who died Muslim has far better chance of entering jannah than a person who died non muslim. Going by that, if you are a muslim, jannah isn't that far from you no matter how many times you mess up. Inversely, if you are a non-muslim, despite how good of a person you are, jannah is a bit too far from you given that you do not believe in 'la ilaha ilalah'. That's what we've deduced from the quran but allah knows best.