interior minister: talks with raas kambooni have failed

[sahal80]

pat
i meant hawiye vice president a sheekhaal, xassan sheekh himself is a sheekhaal.
Like said before this your chance if you would take advantage of it. The govt doesnt care about marehan and ogadeen but the system in wich the sheekhaal gets the second seat.
the reason ogadeen would get the headship is because of the reality in there. There is hassan sheekh- kibbaki unxderstanding if that reality changes and marehan takes over they can have the heardship seat for darood

[Nomand]

why r u sahal pushing for bay bakool and gedo, when gedo has nothing to do with them?

it should be bay, bakool, hiiraan and lower shabeele= all majority d&m

[The_Patriot]

pat
i meant hawiye vice president a sheekhaal, xassan sheekh himself is a sheekhaal.
Like said before this your chance if you would take advantage of it. The govt doesnt care about marehan and ogadeen but the system in wich the sheekhaal gets the second seat.
the reason ogadeen would get the headship is because of the reality in there. There is hassan sheekh- kibbaki unxderstanding if that reality changes and marehan takes over they can have the heardship seat for darood

since when did Shekhal become Hawiyeh and since when was Culusow kicked out of waceysle club?

[sahal80]

why r u sahal pushing for bay bakool and gedo, when gedo has nothing to do with them?

it should be bay, bakool, hiiraan and lower shabeele= all majority d&m

No sxb aint pushing for anything.
Im interested in the govt policies and these talks were about jubada dhexe and jubada hoose. I understand you have some guys who are pro-jubalandigad in there but the talks were put as between the govt and maaulka kismaayo

[sahal80]

pat
i meant hawiye vice president a sheekhaal, xassan sheekh himself is a sheekhaal

since when did Shekhal become Hawiyeh and since when was Culusow kicked out of waceysle club?

Listen i dont wonna have problems with mudulood snetters so between you and me, mudulood has some sheekhaal subclans the last one who is called sheekhaal cabdi
As for hassan sheekh he belongs to a subclan called faqay inside waceesle and was sheekhaal one day i was told himself he feels both ways hence his relationship with islaax also his forfathers were quran teachers like his dad was macalin quran in hiraan.
Loobage sheekhaal. And, this is up to them you cant disagree all khudub and loobage have hawiye seats in the parliament.
Accept it

[Osob101]

[original dervish]

So you are telling us that because he has Sheekhaal origin, he is sympathetic to their position in J/Land.
Is that really any way to run a country?

As long as the balance of power is in favour of J/Land, the Govt are powerless to act.

[Voltage]

Sahal and his paltalk oriented discussions at it again.

[original dervish]

hey voltage...you Republic too?

[Voltage]

Yesz that's common knowldge. My nick Voltage has access to my private sections so if I post with it it means I was checking out private section and forgot to log out.

[gurey25]

Sahal,
The PM is a shaqsi. If Marexan feel that His plan is beneficial for them they'll follow, if not they'll make their own decision. Bottom line is Marexan is 100% behind the idea of a Jubbaland.

Ok, i understand marehan are in a hard situation so if shaykh madoobe offers 50/50 for them its btter for them to join him.
as for the pm he is more a govt man... so after the talks have failed he is gone for a military solution and succeeded bringing his army inside the town after talks with amisom leaving kista as a kinda of winner.
The governments policy gives raas kambooni the headship position in lower juba with a marehan mayor for kismayo as a transitional stage for the federal state with raas kamboni president and hawiye vice president

Going for military option will mean other regions arming themselves to ensure incase they disagree with the govt then they need to protect themselves.
Thus locals from Bay and Bakool, Lower Shabelle, Galmudug, PL ,SL,some parts of Central Somalia etc will stay on stand by and arm themselves because in one way or another disagreements will surface because of the way the govt is conducting its affairs incase of turning a blind eye on nepotism,distribution of resources etc.
This means the govt will turn into another shabaab and after the wars will be exhausted, bunkrupt and exposed.
So far grievances are resurfacing like Baidoa, Lower Shabelle, Galmudug etc.

The way forward is listening to the locals and assisting them in achieving their goals towards establishing a Federal State. Thus if the regime proves itself as partial to some while genuine to others it will reignite the old wounds.

Lastly for your info there is no Hawiye in L Jubba. Hawiye end in Middle Shabelle its after the 90's that they started intruding into L.Shabelle region.

you have to include SL in your silly topic?
you cant help yourself cant you

[original dervish]

Why not?.....they`re just another autonomous region of Somali.

[The_Patriot]

Gurey pass the shit u are smoking.

[gurey25]

you really want to derail your tpoic dont you..

i was just making a statement, you have internal issues, more like inter doroo issues, keep us out of it

[Sagaashan]

Going for military option will mean other regions arming themselves to ensure incase they disagree with the govt then they need to protect themselves.
Thus locals from Bay and Bakool, Lower Shabelle, Galmudug, PL ,SL,some parts of Central Somalia etc will stay on stand by and arm themselves because in one way or another disagreements will surface because of the way the govt is conducting its affairs incase of turning a blind eye on nepotism,distribution of resources etc.
This means the govt will turn into another shabaab and after the wars will be exhausted, bunkrupt and exposed.
So far grievances are resurfacing like Baidoa, Lower Shabelle, Galmudug etc.

The way forward is listening to the locals and assisting them in achieving their goals towards establishing a Federal State. Thus if the regime proves itself as partial to some while genuine to others it will reignite the old wounds.

Lastly for your info there is no Hawiye in L Jubba. Hawiye end in Middle Shabelle its after the 90's that they started intruding into L.Shabelle region.

Wallahi the Kikuyu Butler has made a forceful and long term argument against the HAG government, I have a feeling they will not heed this call and will try to forcifully use Amisom to imposed themselves on the populace. Imagine the amount of time and energy expended on the Jubbaland issue which in many ways is a done-deal and just needed the blessing of the government. They were given the power to make changes and more importantly to lead the whole process. If the government's objections is that some people are left out, why didn't they use the opportunity to lead to introduce and bargain on behalf of these minorities. Why isn't the government as much involved in the Shabeele hoose takeover as much as they are intruding on the affairs of people still talking and discussing their future peacefully. The last worrying thing is that the government is not only holding this grand conference hostage but they are working on eliminating it by forming a bigger regional body of six gobols how will the government be dealing with the sophistication of a regional adminisration that covers a bigger land mass, more diverse populations, and culturally and ethnically mixed peoples . They can't even handle a single security problem in Xamar, cant handle a single dispute in Marka, and can't handle the formation of new administration. Faisal Roble aptly summarized this government when he said it is 'A Government Failing at its own Peril.' Indeed so much so that its no longer how, but when.