X. Player was right WALO are clever than us!!

[Nomand]

go listen to VOA and check the 7 points. Sheekh Xasan agreed that his party only recognize somaliland's goverment as the soul entity in ex british somaliland , no awdal no khaatumo .

If that is true then Hassan sheikh can say good bye to being president of Somalia And Somalia will balkanise. Daarood will never accept that. Hassan sheikh has done a grave mistake and handed isaaq recognition on a silver plate by alienating darod. Jubbaland will go and so will puntland and khatuumo

[X.Playa]

http://www.lasanod.com/details.php?num=9049

check the third keypoint.

3- All talks will be held between somaliland and somalia .

meaning no khaatumo or any other entity be it puntland or others who will participate in these talks period.

The last point (7) is a direct refernce to the Daarood memebrs in Xasan Sheekh's goverment such as Saacid who talks shit to show his Daarood something they want to hear, non of that will be allowed period.

These talks have done one thing and that is to completly isolate the Daaroods from all these talks.

[Rightwing]

[SultanOrder]

Xplaya you over state your position. Yes the talk is between the FG of Somalia and Somaliland, not that they recognize that Somaliland is the only representative of Ex-British Somaliland. Also, that doesn't mean that Puntland or Khatuumo can not be in it, on the FG of Somalia side, or that it won't defend their interests through it's cabinet members, mps, or other officials. I will start to get worried if they were talking about borders. Also, you need to get rid of this mentality that Darood are alienated from this government. Xassan Sheikh nor any other leader can ever sideline Darood.

Also, when did Saacid talk shit when it had anything to do with you? Are you guys still on about the Samatar case?

[X.Playa]

Perfect Order you wish your Daarood had such a cat like eyes , i need not listen to your facade its enough to listen to Cali Khaliikh and Bindhe almost wailing like women today to know how desprate your people are.

And about the third point its pretty obvious what it means, it means there is only one repersentitive in somaliland and that is Siilaanyo's goverment , not a single Somalilander was in Xasan Sheekh's team despite your Daarood demanding it.. Xasan Sheekh had to conced to that fact while Sheekh Shariif was the total opposit. Now today the only side that was repersenting somaliland were the Somaliland goverment ministers from all the tribes in porpotion , 2 out of 7, 28% while the rest 72% were Isaaq a typical formula of the population of somaliland. No Khaatumo nor puntland will be in these talks , and these talks are between 2 halfs of the former Somali Republic not some regional province like Puntland and what not.

Saacid was talking shit about somaliland every time he saw few fat Daarood ladies , but now his boss signed an agreement that his Daarood boy Saacid will behave and keep his shit inside his stomach . all in all somaliland won in this round.

[SultanOrder]

X.Playa, incase you didn't notice, the FG is attempting to bring all parties under their umbrella, whether it be Jubbada, gobalada dhex, konfur, or Puntland. For Somaliland siba si ba la soo galinaya. Incase you didn't notice all of the agreements had to do with the international relations of Somalia and Somaliland, nothing to do with border or land issues. These are simple principles that they can agree to but they are not lawfully binding but undertaken under good faith. Honestly in my own opinion none of the sides are ready to tackle this issue, and I certainly do not think Xassan Sheikh is going to tackle this issue. He will not be the one that divided Somalia, though he will try his best to re-unite it.

Cali Khalif can be made because he is not included in the talks, but neither was he included in the talks under Sheikh shariff, though sheikh sharif was partial to Puntland.

These talks are not about two former halves of the Somali republic, but between the Federal Government of Somalia and Somaliland, and the relationship between the two. Xassan Sheikh can not constitutionally speak about borders without consulting Puntland, it says so in the Constitution.

Also, if you claims about Saacid are true, since no major news sites reported it, nor are their any video evidence proving, then I can assume they were done in private. Therefore that doesn't apply to it. Unless you mean to say Xassan sheikh controls the private conversations that Saacid has

Siilaanyo got what he wanted, and that is a share from the whatever is given in the London conference. But nothing more than promises, and you guys are hailing this as a victory.

[X.Playa]

X.Playa, incase you didn't notice, the FG is attempting to bring all parties under their umbrella, whether it be Jubbada, gobalada dhex, konfur, or Puntland. For Somaliland siba si ba la soo galinaya. Incase you didn't notice all of the agreements had to do with the international relations of Somalia and Somaliland, nothing to do with border or land issues. These are simple principles that they can agree to but they are not lawfully binding but undertaken under good faith. Honestly in my own opinion none of the sides are ready to tackle this issue, and I certainly do not think Xassan Sheikh is going to tackle this issue. He will not be the one that divided Somalia, though he will try his best to re-unite it.

Cali Khalif can be made because he is not included in the talks, but neither was he included in the talks under Sheikh shariff, though sheikh sharif was partial to Puntland.

These talks are not about two former halves of the Somali republic, but between the Federal Government of Somalia and Somaliland, and the relationship between the two. Xassan Sheikh can not constitutionally speak about borders without consulting Puntland, it says so in the Constitution.

Also, if you claims about Saacid are true, since no major news sites reported it, nor are their any video evidence proving, then I can assume they were done in private. Therefore that doesn't apply to it. Unless you mean to say Xassan sheikh controls the private conversations that Saacid has

Siilaanyo got what he wanted, and that is a share from the whatever is given in the London conference. But nothing more than promises, and you guys are hailing this as a victory.

Perfect you seem to be stuck in your Daarood mental prison, what happened today and what you are stating are irrelevant and apart. Let me digest it for you a bit. This meeting was not political in nature it was more of economical. i will summerize the core issues as thus.

1- The So called Somalia goverment by default is a southern goverment wether your Daarood agree or choose to blind yourself to that fact. There was a method to this madness , the southerners unlike the Daarood are not fooling themselfs they know Somaliland isn't repersented in their goverment, be it in pariliament , ministeries , the somaliland's share is less then that of the .5.

2- The so called Somali Federal Goverment is a southern goverment , the prime minister mediate any conflict that takes place with in the southern borders, there is a tacit agreement and recognition of that fact why elese your uncle Saacid failed top cross the bortder and wipe the tears of his Dhulbahnate , so you can't say that there is no recognizable border, he knows it his boss know that and the IC know that also. That has been the case for 21 years , not even IGAD and African Union troops can set foot in somaliland's territory.

3- Now Somaliland and Somalia have formed the now defunct Somali Republic and that republic has been dead for 21 years , yet the world still recongizes that old dead state legally, and since the status of somaliland is within that dead entity , somaliland has to take their share of all international assistance be it economical or millitary not as a federal region but as the old 1960 partner in the union of the former republic.

Most of your Daarood confuse that third point with accepting the so called "federalism", from Somaliland's legall prospective its not federalism its the old 1960 union case, since both regions Somalia and Somaliland formed The Somali Republic, somaliland must take their share of that legall benfit and punishment , for instance when the embargo was imposed on somali republic somaliland suffered too and now that its lifted somaliland must have its share of millitary aid.

Your Daaroodist argument is that the Federal Goverment treats somaliland no different then Puntland, you know very well thats not the case but you been Daarood will sink with your ship rather then conced the obvious. Recently Saacid visited Puntland and he signed an agreement in Puntland saying Puntland will get their share of everyhting .

In the case of somaliland its the polar opposit, Somaliland have reached the calculated logic that it should take their share of eveything that the rest are getting from the rest of the world , but in a different style , and here where these talks are milked cleverly by the somaliland party.

Somaliland knew if they let sheekh Xasan or his Daarood side kick come to Hargaysa and sign a share of millitary aid agreement in Hargaysa they will look and sound as another Puntland a federal region, and also they calculated well that they will be cheated even if they made that blunder. So they choose to prempt the southern goverment and hold all their talks as the tow legal partners of the 1960 which formed the somali state and diffrentiate themselves from Puntland a mere sub-clan with in former Italian colony of Somalia. By making these agreement outside Somali republic and making sure the IC mediate the 2 regions, all agreement will be enforced since the IC is the party that is providing all these aid and thus somaliland can't be cheated and also somaliland can't be treated as a federal region like Puntland but rather as an equal partner legally. Make no mistake the world bank and IMF and all international deals regarding the former somali republic will be dealt with in this same manner , always outside the country under the eyes of the IC ( notice in evey agreement somaliland makes sure the world is present unlike puntland and the rest and also the tow names in these papers are always somaliland and somalia as the south) also somaliland will always use these outside talks and aid agreements as a showcase for their case.

If you listened closly to what Xasan said regarding millitary.economic aid he said they will share it as somaliland and "koonfur" meaning Xamar not as Somalia and Somaliland, what he is simply saying is that the sharing will be between south vs north always, and the south will then distribute the southern share to the southern regions and the north to Somaliland regions , a clear reference to the 1960 arrangments. Also notice by doing this the somaliland millitary will have all the benefit of a soverign force with zero clout from the south and if the south refuse to share the donated aid be it weapons or money somaliland will for example complain to the Turks and say the southernes have broken the agreement or the EU, somthething Puntland can't do or Jubaland since their agreement was signed with in somalia with no forceable mechanism.

Finally there is not a single region in the former somali republic that can be compared to how somaliland does business , the only time Somalia and Somaliland meet is in the international arena like any other 2 countries that have a conflict, a thing you can't compare to Puntland which is a province of the south.

Now for the last time .. am going to advice you when talking about Somali politics at least you should refer to the legal name of your country which is The Somali Republic in English and in Arabic Al-Soomaal and in Somali " Jamhuuriyada Dimquraadiga ee Soomaaliyeed" not Somalia an Italian colonial term....its been 50 years and you Daarood still use that term despite wearing the bluie flag as nickers.