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[quote="mizz_chief"] lakiin to say flog her 80 lashes BECAUSE her accuser has no witneses
Sister are u kidding or what ?? la ilah il Allah I did not say that
where did u get that from Sobxan Allah fear Allah === >
Did u even read what I said I was talking about that it is punishable to slander ==== >
Then you started to mixed my whole comment with a husbands slandering his wife and what the sharecas says about it among other things
Let me make it crystal clear it is Haram to accuse a chaste women or even give a hint that she has been illegally sexually active with anyone or any chaste man for that matter
i was talking about defermation when its to do with marriage hence Y i quoted verse 6 AND NOT 4..... u brought up verse 4.....
verse 4, applies to non married couples dear... non couples punishment is 80 lashes, that is exists....... but when it comes to MARRIAGE, they can TAKE an oath if they havnt got the 4 witnesses......
sister, u got mixed up, u then quoted me with verse 4... all im sayin was verse 4 doesnt apply to marriage couples...
Even though I'm a bit confused as to where this conversation/argument is heading, I will just post this Insh'Allah. ........................................... Dear scholars, As-Salamu `alaykum. I had a question on what Islam says about those who deliberately hurt and/or try to ruin an innocent girl's reputation. Jazakum Allah khayran.
Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.
Dear questioner, we would like to thank you for the great confidence you place in us, and we implore Allah Almighty to help us serve His cause and render our work for His Sake.
If they slander that innocent girl, accusing her of zina, then they are criminals. This is a major sin and an abhorrent forbidden action, because it is a slander against her honor and a transgression of the limits set by Allah. The Qur'an says, "...and those who accuse honorable women but bring not four witnesses, scourge them with 80 stripes and never afterwards accept their testimony. They indeed are evildoers." (An-Nur: 4) In another verse Allah says, "Lo! As for those who slander virtuous, believing women who are careless, cursed are they in the world and in the hereafter. There's will be an awful doom." (An-Nur: 23)
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “Avoid the seven sins that doom one to Hell.†They said: “O Messenger of Allah, what are they?†He said: “Associating others with Allah (shirk), witchcraft, killing a soul whom Allah has forbidden us to kill, except when it is lawful, consuming riba, consuming the orphan’s wealth, running away from the battlefield, and slandering chaste believing women who never even think of anything touching their chastity.†(Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim)
“Islam prohibits backbiting (ghibah): 'And do not backbite one another.' (Al-Hujurat: 12)
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) wanted to drive home the meaning of backbiting to his Companions through questions and answers. He asked them, 'Do you know what backbiting is?' They replied, 'Allah and His Messenger know best'. He said, 'It is saying something about your brother which he would dislike'. Someone asked, 'What if I say something about my brother which is true?' The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, 'If what you say of him is true, it is backbiting and if it is not true you have slandered him.' (Reported by Muslim, Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi, and An-Nasa’i)
When a person dislikes someone, he is likely to find faults in his appearance, behavior, lineage, and anything else which pertains to him. `A’ishah narrated that she said to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), 'Do you see that Safiyyah (another wife of the Prophet) is such and such?', meaning that she was short. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, 'You have spoken a word such that, if it were mixed in the water of the ocean, it would darken it.' (Reported by Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi, and Al-Bayhaqi)
Backbiting is nothing but a desire to belittle people, to slander their honor, and to deride their accomplishments in their absence. Since this is stabbing in the back, it is an expression of narrow-mindedness and cowardice. Backbiting is a negative trait, and only those engage in it who themselves are not achievers. It is a tool of destruction, for one who is addicted to it leaves no one without throwing a dart at him and wounding him.
It is no wonder then, that the Qur'an paints such a repulsive picture of this vile habit as would make people shrink from it in horror: 'And do not backbite one anther; would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would abhor that.' (Al-Hujurat: 12)
Since one feels sick at the very thought of eating human flesh, how much more revolting it is to think of eating the flesh of one's dead brother?
Whenever an opportunity arose, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) stressed this Qur’anic imagery in order to imprint it on peoples’ hearts and minds. Ibn Mas`ud narrated, 'We were sitting with the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Then a man got up and left. Whereupon another person spoke ill of him. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) told him, 'Pick your teeth.' The man replied, 'Why? I haven't eaten any meat.' The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, 'You have eaten your brother's flesh.' (Reported by At-Tabarani)
Jabir narrated, 'While we were with the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) the wind brought a foul odor in our direction, whereupon the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, 'Do you know what this odor is? It is the odor of those who backbite the Believers.' (Reported by Ahmad)
All these textual quotations demonstrate the sanctity and dignity which is accorded to Man in Islam. However, scholars have listed some exceptions, necessarily limited to certain circumstances, when talking about a person in his absence is permitted. Among these exceptions is the instance of a person who has been wronged and who complains about the wrongdoer. While he must then speak about what the other dislikes, it is his right to do so in order to secure justice; consequently, he is given permission to describe the wrong he has suffered. Allah the Almighty says: 'Allah does not like the announcing of evil in public speech except by one who has been wronged; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.' (An-Nisa': 148)
If someone wants to investigate the character or suitability of a person with whom he wants to enter into partnership, who has asked for his daughter in marriage, or who is seeking employment with him, it is permissible for those who have been asked to give their frank and honest opinion. Here there is a conflict between two obligations: one, to give good advice to the person who seeks the information, and two, to protect the honor of the person about whom the opinion is sought. But the first obligation takes precedence over the second, as it is more important and more sacred. Fatimah bint Qays asked the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) about two men who had asked for her hand in marriage. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) told her about one of them, 'He is good for nothing and has no property,' and about the other, 'He does not put his stick down from his shoulder,' meaning that he frequently beats the women of his household.
It is also permissible to speak about a person without his knowledge if a legal opinion or religious ruling is required concerning him or if help is needed to combat some evil he may be causing, or to refer to him by a name, title, or characteristic which he dislikes but without which he cannot be identified, as for example, 'the lame person' or 'the person with one eye.' Likewise, cross-questioning a witness or criticizing the reporters of hadiths and news is permissible.
The general rule concerning the permissibility of speaking about someone in his absence is governed by two considerations: (1) the need and (2) the intention.
(1) When there is no compelling need to mention the third person in a manner in which he would dislike, one must refrain from violating the sanctity of his personality and honor. If there is a need to mention him but the need can be met by an indirect reference, one must not be explicit. If a general discussion is sufficient, the mentioning of specific persons must be avoided. For example, in seeking a juristic opinion, one can phrase the question as, 'What would your opinion be if someone did such and such a thing?' rather than, 'This person is doing such and such. What do you think about it?' Again, if one must identify the person, he must mention only what is true, since ascribing anything false to him is prohibited.
(2) In any event, the intention is the decisive factor. The speaker knows his own motives better than anyone else —whether it constitutes a genuine complaint against wrongdoing or mere spite, an inquiry concerning an issue or a slander, a scholarly criticism or envious backbiting, piece of good advice or the spreading of a rumor. It is said in this connection that the Believer is a sterner judge of himself than a tyrannical ruler or a greedy partner could be.
Islam has decreed that the listener is the partner of the one who is absent, and he must defend his absent brother by repudiating the slander being spoken.
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, 'If anyone defends his brother who is slandered in his absence, it will be (his) due from Allah to set him free from the Fire.' (Reported by Ahmad)
And again, 'If anyone defends his brother’s honor in this world, Allah will shield his face from the Fire on the Day of Resurrection.' (Reported by At-Tirmidhi)
If a person does not have the courage to speak out in defense of his brother against malicious tongues, the least he can do is to withdraw from such company until they turn to some other topic; otherwise, the verse, 'Truly, you would then be like them.' (An-Nisa': 140) would apply to him."
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OK...this is the last one Insh'Allah .............................................. Assalam alaikum
Please can you clarify exactly what constitutes gheebat - backbiting?
For example, I understand that saying so and so is fat or ugly is gheebat. Are the following also backbiting:
If I tell someone about a conversation I had and say "she said to me you look fat"
"he pushed in front of me in the queue"
"at work my boss took such and such action. I think she should have done such and such"
I would be grateful if you would clarify exactly what can be said about someone to a third person.
thank you
Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.
Dear in Islam, thanks a lot for your question.
It is known that Islam prohibits backbiting and considers it a major sin. Islam is against all forms of gossip and backbiting which aim at harming people and causing dissension among them.
As for the exact meaning of backbiting, it is to speak about a person in his absence that which he hates to be told in his presence.
In the Sunnah, it is reported that someone asked the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), “What is backbiting?†He said, “It is to speak about a person behind his back that which he hates to be told in his presence.†........................................ Sister Mizz Chief, do you know whether Basra gets hurt by the comments people make such as "you are fat", "you're such and such"...etc? What people say about her might be a joke for them but she might NOT take it as a joke, it might hurt her feelings...Allahu A'lim so it's better to be VERY careful on what you joke about sister. The same thing could be said to Basra, what you say or write about your fellow brothers and sisters in faith (be it in one of your stories or just in a conversation) could hurt them! Just keep that in mind Insh'Allah and for God's sake people should stop with the insults, Subhan'Allah we are all brothers and sisters in faith! You will see brothers calling sisters (whom they have NEVER met) *S..s*, *B...s*, sisters doing the exact same thing....Istakfur'Allah, how can we even call ourselves Muslims?
B!tch A quick course on Islamic jurisprudence is in order here. You wrote:
"As for your comment about me comparing slander(And possibly back-bite which I never mentioned) to killings === > I was giving an extreme example that a killer if forgiving by the parents of the victim (that has been killed by the killer) can be free from jail or sentences that leads to their death ==== > then I gave another example if a slanderer slander a women that she has been sexually active with a man and the slanderer has no four valid witnesses even if the women forgave the slanderer they will still get their 80 lashes
Surah Al Nur verse 4
English Translation of YUSUF ALI: And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;- "
Now, nothing in the cited verse indicates that if the individual transgressed forgives her transgressor, that the sentance can not be abridged. Also, you cite this as if the transgressor MUST ALWAYS receive 80 lashes, which is not so. This is a GUIDELINE you twit. If a starving boy steals a loaf of bread, do you cut off his hand? There are always two things to be taken into consideration in sentancing, even in Islam. One is historical behavior and the other is circumstance. There is a difference between slander and honest mistake for instance. Are you going to whip someone, perhaps to death, when he made a mistake under a given set of circumstances? Or how about if he is telling the truth, but can't find cooroboratin witnesses?
You seem to think that Shari'a offers no flexibility, which according to Islamic jursiprudence is not correct.
And this is how kaafir parasites successfully fail to have decent conversations with a Muslim as they always talk out of ignorance ==== > Sabirne ya RAB !!!
Mad Hoe: ' Cracker Boy, your mother who "shitted" you in the squater crack is the ultimate B-itch mothafucca!!!!! maybe that chinese who-re, midget wife of yours with the sideways ceeb that you bought form the street corner as many of you sick crackers do..... could qualify as a B-itch!!!! You fuccin kaafir bastard, I would slaughter you if you were infront of me right about now!!!!! and I mean that in the true sense of the word mothafucca
Coulda You are a flower hiding behind a computer screen. Mano-a-mano you I would take your hold world apart without breaking a sweat. You're just too stupid to figure that out!
B!tch I noticed you didn't actually reply to the point - what a moron!
Mad Hoe: ' What can you possibly do to me at 130Ib soaking wet???? , you are the one talking out of your ass, cause you can't be seen at this moment fuccin kaafir cracker, I wish you could call a Somali girl names infront of me or any self respecting non-ass lickin' Somali cat!!!!! I would punish you, I have done it before to a cracker just like you and he weighed a whole hellova lot more than your skinny B-itch ass ' 'By the way is your B-itch ass chinese wh-ore wifey's ceeb side ways??? just wanna know
Weight isn't everything moron. Just because I am not a fat pig, doesn't mean I don't know how to throw down. Remember it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
Cracker ho ' Keep telling yourself that kaafir mothafucca!!!! I would beat your skinny ass down any day and dispose of you like a used up tampon!!!!! fuccin kaafir mothafucca...remember I been fighting in a sanctioned environment since I was 9...don't even talk about street skirmishes!!!!! ' ' Like I told your other cracker cousin...a 130Ib white boy talking the fight game is as ludicrous as catching Osama Bin Laden in a Pork chop line ..it ain't happeneing shawty ' ' By the way is your B-itch ass who-re wifey's ceeb side ways????
why are you been an ass hole you f"ucking morron, you have no respect for people and clearly you havent learn anything, if you dont like our religion why dont you stick to your own one then.
really we are getting tired of your constant nagging, so f*ucking what if you were humuliated in somalia, must you then become so obssesed with Us get over it you aint a soldeir no more you a washed up veteran who is properly living alone with mental disorder, hey thats tough but hey nobody asked you to come.
clearly you have deep rooted issue that need councelling with somalis people, but please have some manners try and give some respect that you constantly weeb on about, and dont fu.cking insult our woman cos the only hoes there are this plannet are those one doller white trash you call your people.
, you are the one talking out of your ass, cause you can't be seen at this moment fuccin kaafir cracker, I wish you could call a Somali girl names infront of me or any self respecting non-ass lickin' Somali cat!!!!! I would punish you, I have done it before to a cracker just like you and he weighed a whole hellova lot more than your skinny B-itch ass 
..it ain't happeneing shawty 
