Thank you MODs for deleting Buddhist thread

[AgentOfChaos]

Its was embaressing for the arrogant party who thought they had all the answeres. point was made and having deleted it adds little credits to the party who injected their religion into a Buddhist thread and once they lost the argument wailed for it to be deleted. Its like the boy who owned the ball and when he lost the game he takes the ball home. now don't start banning i see the Mohamdans crowd are getting mad as usual.

typical muslims, suppressing the truth wont hide it forever

The pagan Arabs worshipped the (* MOON *) god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the moon-god called the Kaaba; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting 4 the month that begins & ends with the CRESCENT MOON; giving alms to the poor, etc.

The worship of the 3 goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat played a major role in the worship at the Kaaba in Mecca.

dont you people know your own religion? Go read a quran please.

You guys know that you can troll without blasphemy right?

[Caashaqa]

Its was embaressing for the arrogant party who thought they had all the answeres. point was made and having deleted it adds little credits to the party who injected their religion into a Buddhist thread and once they lost the argument wailed for it to be deleted. Its like the boy who owned the ball and when he lost the game he takes the ball home. now don't start banning i see the Mohamdans crowd are getting mad as usual.

typical muslims, suppressing the truth wont hide it forever

The pagan Arabs worshipped the (* MOON *) god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the moon-god called the Kaaba; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting 4 the month that begins & ends with the CRESCENT MOON; giving alms to the poor, etc.

The worship of the 3 goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat played a major role in the worship at the Kaaba in Mecca.

dont you people know your own religion? Go read a quran please.

You guys know that you can troll without blasphemy right?

I DEMAND THAT HIS HEAD BE CUT OFF ISLAM SHALL RULE THIS WORLD THREW THE KNIFE

[Gantaal05]

We are not trolls, why can't we have a real discussion without deleting threads or threatening to ban people, why are you lot not so confident , tell me?

[Meyle]

The Somalinet inquisition might delete threads and oppose balanced discussions about religions and the tenets of some of these faiths. However don't defend your poor attempt to silence freedom of expression by preaching morality when there's no morality in this place at all, waa meel qudhuntay markaa I suggest the Mods to get the fuck off their moral high horse. What's the point of having a forum when freedom of thought is not respected?

[FAH1223]

if you are that sure of your religion why did you delete the entire thread . its like your uncle Osama running to Tora Bora like a fox and crying Allahu Akbar , well if you fear non but God why shy away from real debate and run to Tora Bora and mod power. you can have your islam all your want , but when you accuse others of the same thing you you people do in Mecca ....dont cry when expose ..buck naked. Now go watch some basketball and spend your time memorizing their names and moves and remain ignorant of your faith so much that when not able to articulate it you shake and tremble in doubt.

It is mentioned in Surah Baqarah:
"We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens: now shall We turn thee to a Qiblah that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque: wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction."
[Al-Qur’an 2:144]


1. Islam believes in fostering unity

For instance, if Muslims want to offer Salaah (Prayer), it is possible that some may wish to face north, while some may wish to face south. In order to unite Muslims in their worship of the One True God, Muslims, wherever they may be, are asked to face in only one direction i.e. towards the Kaaba. If some Muslims live towards the west of the Kaaba they face the east. Similarly if they live towards the east of the Kaaba they face the west.






2. Kaaba is at the Centre of the World Map
The Muslims were the first people to draw the map of the world. They drew the map with the south facing upwards and north downwards. The Kaaba was at the centre. Later, western cartographers drew the map upside down with the north facing upwards and south downwards. Yet, Alhamdullilah the Kaaba is at the centre of the world map.





3. Tawaaf around Kaaba for indicating one God
When the Muslims go to Masjid-e-l HARAAM in Makkah, they perform tawaaf or circumambulation round the Kaaba. This act symbolizes the belief and worship of One God, since, just as every circle has one centre, so also there is only one Allah (swt) worthy of worship.




4. Hadith of Umar (may Allah be pleased with him)

Regarding the black stone, hajr-e-aswad, there is a hadith (tradition), attributed to the illustrious companion of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh), Umar (may Allah be pleased with him).
According to Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, book of Hajj, chapter 56, H.No. 675. Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) said, "I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (pbuh) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you".

5. People stood on Kaaba and gave the adhaan

At the time of the Prophet, people even stood on the Kaaba and gave the ‘adhaan’ or the call to prayer. One may ask those who allege that Muslims worship the Kaaba; which idol worshipper stands on the idol he worships?

[Caashaqa]

Lmao at someone inboxing me if I'm Marehan I see Islam will never unite you even as Somalis and you talk about ummah

[X.Playa]

The Somalinet inquisition might delete threads and oppose balanced discussions about religions and the tenets of some of these faiths. However don't defend your poor attempt to silence freedom of expression by preaching morality when there's no morality in this place at all, waa meel qudhuntay markaa I suggest the Mods to get the fuck off their moral high horse. What's the point of having a forum when freedom of thought is not respected?

cidiba diinta islamka kama hadlayn..the topic was Buddhism and then they injected islam into it by accusing Buddhist worshiping idols and stones,.and all it took was 2 pictures from Mecca , and that all she wrote ...hyper and their hidden Mahdi deleted the entire thread accusing other of bad mouthing islam..were not they bad mouthing other people's religion too... it shows you their Arab ethics.

[AgentOfChaos]

You guys know that you can troll without blasphemy right?

I DEMAND THAT HIS HEAD BE CUT OFF ISLAM SHALL RULE THIS WORLD THREW THE KNIFE

Oh bless your heart you little attention whore, no need to fear because there is no Muslim who wants to behead a pig I can assure you that.

[Alphanumeric]

What is this? What's going on? I want in.

*throws chair*

[Caashaqa]

You guys know that you can troll without blasphemy right?

I DEMAND THAT HIS HEAD BE CUT OFF ISLAM SHALL RULE THIS WORLD THREW THE KNIFE

Oh bless your heart you little attention whore, no need to fear because there is no Muslim who wants to behead a pig I can assure you that.

But it says in the hadith he must be put to death why are you not following your Religion

[Shirib]

We are not trolls, why can't we have a real discussion without deleting threads or threatening to ban people, why are you lot not so confident , tell me?

not interested in that, we will ban you, if you try to spread your filth. Capisce?

[AgentOfChaos]

What is this? What's going on? I want in.

*throws chair*

Oh nothing much, Caashaqa, X.Playa, and Gantaal05 are showing everyone how not to troll, and the dangers of lack of trolling etiquette.

[FAH1223]

typical muslims, suppressing the truth wont hide it forever

The pagan Arabs worshipped the (* MOON *) god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the moon-god called the Kaaba; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting 4 the month that begins & ends with the CRESCENT MOON; giving alms to the poor, etc.

The worship of the 3 goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and Manat played a major role in the worship at the Kaaba in Mecca.

dont you people know your own religion? Go read a quran please.

This is what evangelical Christians say. Yet the Qur'an always is saying the contrary to your claims.

Surah Najm verse 23 says:

These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!

The name Allah

I also note there is some confusion and conflation with the fact that the word Allah existed before the Prophet Mohammed’s time on Earth and the Arab pagans’ use of the word Allah. It is disappointing that we have people who lack sound historical and theological scholarship who write propaganda pieces in the form of booklets or internet articles about this issue. It just further illustrates truth in the adage; a little knowledge is dangerous.

Yes, we (those who have studied Islam) know that the name Allah was in use before the time of Prophet Muhammed. If we read Ar-Raheeq ul-Makhtum we realise that the early Arabs did believe in Allah as the Only God. This is dated all the way back to the time of Prophet Ishmael who resided in Makkah (Mecca) and learned Arabic as well as settling there(8). He preached the message of pure monotheism; “Most of the Arabs had complied with the call of Ishmael and professed the religion of his father Abraham. They worshipped Allah, professed His Oneness and followed His religion...” (9).

What this shows is that Allah was known as the Only God, just like the Muslims believe Him to be. Indeed Abraham and Ishmael are considered to be Muslims, i.e. those who had submitted to the Will of the Only God, Allah. The issue of paganism came into the equation as the Arabs forgot this pure monotheism which was taught by Ishmael and his followers. The idolatry was originated from the actions of a man named Amr bin Luhai, he was known as a devoted and righteous man, well respected by his peers. However, after a trip away from Mecca he saw idol-worship in Syria. Upon his return to the Meccans he introduced idol worship to the Meccans by bringing an idol named Hubal back from Syria and this resulted in the spread of a great many idols across Mecca. Indeed there were 360 different idols, belonging to the pagans of Mecca, around the Ka’bah when Prophet Muhammed took charge of Mecca. These idols were subsequently broken, removed and burned under the authority of Prophet Muhammed (10).

Despite the Meccan pagans’ acceptance of idols they still proclaimed belief in Allah in the sense that they saw Allah as the High God but used the idols as ‘lesser deities’ whom they believed “could intercede before Allah for the fulfilment of their wishes” (11).Quite simply they had a pantheon of ‘gods’ but believed that Allah was the High God of their pantheon (5) Effectively over the years they changed their belief in Allah, from the belief that Allah was the Only God (the Abrahamic teachings) to the belief that Allah was the High God of their many deities.

Another source that attests to the fact that the pre-Islamic Arabs used the name Allah and held a ‘belief’ in Him is the genealogy of Prophet Muhammed, his father’s name was actually Abdullah (meaning servant of Allah)(12). Interestingly enough, some of these pagan Arabs believed that Allah was the same God that the Jews and Christians worshipped (5).

The point of the history lesson is to dispel confusion being aroused via ignorance of history. This also squashes the ignorance that the anti-Islamics play on when they try to claim that Allah was a ‘moon god’ due to His Name being around during pre-Islamic times. Essentially the critic of Islam (including Robert Morey who does it implicitly) makes a fallacious conflation of two facts. The two points that the Islamophobes somehow combine in order to arrive at their unsound ‘moon god’ claim are:

1. The name Allah was in use prior to Islam
2. Many mosques and flags of Muslim countries posses a symbol in the form of a moon.

As the first point has been discussed and explained it is necessary to explain the second point before venturing further. Let it be said that the ‘moon’ symbol on some mosques and flags has nothing to do with Islam. There is no teaching within Islam that teaches the over-reverence of the moon nor instructing Muslims to adopt it as a representative symbol. Early Muslims did not use the crescent (moon) for flags nor Mosques and did not have any symbol to represent them. This symbolism was introduced during the Ottoman Empire much later on and was adopted from a city they conquered; “It wasn’t until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city’s existing flag and symbol” (13). It should also be added that this symbolism is not seen as Islamic and many Muslims do not agree with the use of a symbol for Islam as highlighted by a quote from A popular Muslim Scholar, Yusuf Estes; “The symbol of Islam IS NOT the crescent moon and the star, but it was used by the last Islamic Dynasty, the Ottoman’s. The Ottoman Empire deemed it appropriate to use the star and crescent as their symbols, but not the symbols of Islam. I repeat, the star and the crescent moon are not a part of the religion of Islam. Because Islam is so strict on the concept of no other gods with Allah; and no images of any kind; it is a mistake to consider that Islam authorized the general use of such things. Additionally, Islam forbids the images (statues) of any kinds of humans, animals or any of Allah’s creations, so how about using a symbol for Islam?” (13). It would also be useful to re-quote the English translation for the Quran (41:37) here:

41:37- Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Adore not the sun and the moon, but adore Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve. (4)


There is no definitive reason why the Ottomans adopted the flag of Constantinople (now Istanbul) as the symbol for their empire. There is speculation about the founder of their empire having a dream about the crescent moon but that is just speculation. My personal view is that the Ottomans had reached a point of great change when they conquered Constantinople and were “in a position to establish an empire”(14). They were euphoric in their capture of this city as it was prophesized by Prophet Muhammed that the Muslims would take Constantinople one day. This prophesy was fulfilled in 1453, roughly 800 years after the Prophet Muhammed prophesized this event (15) and in some sort of rivalry to Christendom (who had the cross as their symbol) amalgamated with their prized capture they adopted the crescent from the flag of Constantinople. Obviously I am giving my view about the crescent symbolism, it is by no means factual as we simply do not know. The poignant fact amongst all this speculation is that the crescent moon had no Islamic significance to it at all.

Having cleared up the misconceptions about the crescent moon symbol and the use of the name Allah in pre-Islamic times we realise that Morey and other evangelists combine these two points (outlined above) and play on people’s ignorance of the facts as they claim that these two points somehow prove their delusive ‘moon god’ claim. It is disappointing that people like Morey insult the intelligence of their audience by presenting such ignorant speculation as fact. Moreover, it does seem hypocritical that they do not even attempt to make similar unscholarly and conflation arguments based on the symbolism within Judaism and Christianity as both are now represented by symbols (the star and cross respectively). The answer is quite simple, their bias is not against Judaism or Christianity but it is against Islam. So Morey and thus who are parroting his ‘work’ need to realise that their bias is impeding their ability to produce accurate writings about Islam, thus rendering their ‘work’ as misleading mud-slinging.

This argument that Islamophobes employ is so myopic on their part because surely they realise that people (no matter how knowledgeable they are concerning Islam) will ask how does having a symbol of a moon on a flag/mosque and the pre-Islamic existence of the name Allah equate to Muslims worshipping a ‘moon god’? Surely that is just illogical, similar to putting two and two together and coming up with five. So we realise that anybody employing such a faulty argument is working on the inertia of people lazily believing their conjecture without thinking!

However, just to add further depth and pour further refutation upon the claims let us ponder upon the names of the moon gods of the past. According to Professor Coon the names of this ‘moon god’ were: The state god of the Minaeans was Wadd, that of the Katabanians 'Amm, that of the Hadramis Sin, and of the Sabaeans Il Mukah. All were the moon. (Coon, p. 399).
The names of the moon-god were Wadd, 'Amm, Sin, and Il Mukah. Allah was never the Moon-god, despite Morey's desperate pleading. (16)

[GeoSeven]

The Somalinet inquisition might delete threads and oppose balanced discussions about religions and the tenets of some of these faiths. However don't defend your poor attempt to silence freedom of expression by preaching morality when there's no morality in this place at all, waa meel qudhuntay markaa I suggest the Mods to get the fuck off their moral high horse. What's the point of having a forum when freedom of thought is not respected?

The right to freedom of thought comes with responsibilities....e.g Not slandering and defaming others' believes when engaging in a discussion with them.

[Shirib]

I DEMAND THAT HIS HEAD BE CUT OFF ISLAM SHALL RULE THIS WORLD THREW THE KNIFE

Oh bless your heart you little attention whore, no need to fear because there is no Muslim who wants to behead a pig I can assure you that.

But it says in the hadith he must be put to death why are you not following your Religion

Well you get the first of your snet sentence, be thankful it was merciful.