HAG strategy

[gurey25]

kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk @landhere darods r about 15 % of somalia , Bari , Nugaal , Lower Jubba 3 gobals

4 million daroods live in bari, nuugaal ,sanaag,,mudug and sool.
deep south belongs to darod from ras kamboni to kismayo along with afmadow which makes 75% of lower jubba , most of middle jubba belongs to darod (saakow and bualle) its only jilib the minority clans share it with darod
75% of the population of the two juboyin are darod.
and gedo is exclusivly belongs to darod.

last time i checked somalia's population it was just over 10million and darod alone makes about 5million so how exactly did you come up with 15% you idiot.

2 million is more realistic, unless you took a breeding program and made every darood woman have 10 kids and survive to adulthood.

[Titanium]

4 million daroods live in bari, nuugaal ,sanaag,,mudug and sool.

There aren't even that many Somalis in general in those areas though, forget about one clan. There isn't even that much in S/Land and Puntland together.

75% of the Jubbas are not Darod. The largest are the Jareerweyn clan and they themselves are not even close to 75%. The Jubbas is a very diverse region that has only 1.3 million people with Gedo included and is represented by everyone.

No one is 5 million in Somalia.

There are only 8 million ethnic Somalis in Somalia. To think that you have 5 million out of the 8 million ethnic Somalis is nuts. Are you the only ones who live there And plus you don't even have the largest or second largest city, you are crazy

[sav12600]

Kkkkkkkkkkkk @5million darods I think is part of darod culture to lie n believe in fake stories dude Sanag is majority issaq , Sool is shared by hj , hy , dhulos , hutus.Mudug is shared also half galmudug half puntland. Which only leaves nugaal , bari as PURE 100 percent darods lands. Gedo is shared eleys , darods , dirs . Middle jubba is 85 percent none darods.lower jubba is majority darods minority gaaljecels, sheikhaals , jareers. So yessss darods r minority in Somalia which leaves them Nugaal, Bari , lower Jubba 100 percent darods lands am sorry da thruth hurts but that's da reality.

sxb I visited sanaag just last year and 99% of the people are warsangali (badhan, hadaaftimo,haylaan, las khoray, call madow,dhahar,ceelayo all the way to qow are warsengali deegans) and all these degans fall under puntland's flag and what even suprised me more was that 50% of the pl millitary have their bases in sanaag and they are warsengali.
these isaacs ur talking about only reside in erigavo and are even a minority in that insignificant town which has a population smaller then 35,000 ppl

and these gaaljecels and sheikhaals you're talking about are nothing more than an over hyped minority who actually used to just join darod subclans back in the days.

sxb go visit somalia and see the reality for yourself.

eelay in gedo there are more eelay in puntland then there are in jubbaland.

[gurey25]

no the figure is 12-13 million inside somalia's borders, 5 million in ethiopia ,0.8 million Djibouti
and 2-3 million in kenya.

a good guide is the Somali region in ethiopias population.
estimates from the 60's and 70's alwasy gave an approximate figure of 50-60% of Italian somalias population.
The 1994 census gave 3.44 million and 2007 gave 4.41 million, the 1960 estimate was 1 million while somalia was 1.5 million.
So if we go by the 2011 estimate of 5 million for Somalis in Ethiopia, then somalia is at least 8 million. probably closer to 10 million.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Inshallah HAG and SAHAL will all fail.

[sav12600]

guys am just telling you reality,

darood is not a minority in somalia.

darood is only a minority in this poisonous 4.5 element which will soon be erased and reality will kick in.

PL alone has 1,700km of coastline and a territory of 200,000sq km which is 1/3 of somalia

jubbaland is a darood majority state, either merehan or ogaden will rule that region for the next 100years.

daroods walks away with 8regions while the rest of you share the rest.


HAG's biggest ever mistake was the day they agreed to accept a somalia federal state,

sneaky mj's got you once again

my advice to all of you non-daroods is go back to the drawing table

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

^Federalism is for big developed countries such as USA. Not f-king Somalia with 10 million citizens. These citizens can easily live in two major cities.
No to Clan Federalism, yes to Centralism.

[Typhoon]

isku qorqor badana idoorku, look how they suck up to hawiye all of sudden when they realize the somali state getting momentum.

the idoor wagaashe think there is a hawiye vs daarood animosity that they can expliote forgetting the eliphant in room namly the political astute emperial power called marexaan who are chilling in xamar smiling and thinking godd damm how did the snm mess up their relations with USC and how the fok did we end up turnining the tables on those that wanted us forever alienated from mogadishu and the seat power in villa somalia

the marexaan political manaveroung should be studied, it is as great as their history and military achievement

idoor stick to your periphery politics, what la dhaho SAHAL ama HAG ma jiro ee

ya ahlu koonfurstan people don`t entertain HAG vs SAHAL narrative, the plyer haters want spoile our booty of war= monopoly on the somali sovereignty

khalid ali irinimo ma naf ka doontey....jecliya jabka

[Titanium]

Somalis are so ignorant and have no clue what federalism is. The more federal states you have doesn't make you powerful on the national level. Federal states have no businesses in national politics. It just lets you control your states in regards to health, education, issue licensing and considering this is Somalia and we are poor, we will not have the money to properly fund services to begin with so your own authority is limited (not that it was already limited to begin with). You are not allowed to print currency, you have no authority over foreign affairs, military defense, immigration, trade, criminal law, etc.

Federal states doesn't equal clan power. You only have limited power amongst yourselves, not the whole country. That is why it's called federalism, it's decentralized power

I suspect the Somalis who shout "federalism" and think that will mean more power don't live in a federation. Responsibilities are shared between the states and the national government and the states will get the responsibilities that the national government thinks it's best the states do it themselves because it would be hard to do on a large scale (national level)

[MrPrestige]

Who needs Mooryaans? No single sane Somalilander thinks that. If Mooryaans are worth anything, they would have captured Kismaayo for you and stopped it
getting violated. Don't rely too much on people who are protected by Ugandan and Burundian tanks in their homes.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Titanium,
This Federalism is made against Hawiye.
We should say to hell with federalism.
Daroogo and qaldaan will be dominated from Xamar.

[Khalid Ali]

isku qorqor badana idoorku, look how they suck up to hawiye all of sudden when they realize the somali state getting momentum.

the idoor wagaashe think there is a hawiye vs daarood animosity that they can expliote forgetting the eliphant in room namly the political astute emperial power called marexaan who are chilling in xamar smiling and thinking godd damm how did the snm mess up their relations with USC and how the fok did we end up turnining the tables on those that wanted us forever alienated from mogadishu and the seat power in villa somalia

the marexaan political manaveroung should be studied, it is as great as their history and military achievement

idoor stick to your periphery politics, what la dhaho SAHAL ama HAG ma jiro ee

ya ahlu koonfurstan people don`t entertain HAG vs SAHAL narrative, the plyer haters want spoile our booty of war= monopoly on the somali sovereignty

khalid ali irinimo ma naf ka doontey....jecliya jabka

Hawiye are not our enemies we have never fought we have never clashed on anything really , its you who have a problem with Hawiye, your websites are going crazy culusow this culusow that he is HAG he this he is that.Ofcourse there is deep animosity against hawiye and daarood. Actually you Merehaan are between a rock and hard place.its obvious Hawiyes do not want to see a daarood state south of them never. you on your turn help them well atleast a section of your clan lol to detail the process of the Kablalax unit. But in reality you support Madoobe to and you want me to believe u support Hawiye dominance. By the way Hawiye cleansed you from Mogadishu, and till the day your intellectuals are crying on their websites and on Somali TV we want our homes back. Weak people , obviously there is a cold war and deep animosities and distrust. Absame and Harti now dominate Kismayo affairs on one side you are on the side of the Hawiye , i dont mind that its all good really for us. The Hawiyes for the first time in 22 years are really united no more divisions and they are all facing towards Mogadishu i am happy for them. Remmeber a strong Hawiye in Somalia is always a weak daarood


i Know Hassan sheikh Maxamuud is doing a good job because daarood left right is crying

Long live

I believe he is Somali Hawiye Messiah Somalia has been waiting for the past 22 years

[Kafkaesque]

Federalism was adopted because Somalis don't trust the central system which has ruined the country during the Kacaanist era, and finally destroyed it during the Mooryaan era. People with no lands will end up losing, cause they have nowhere to build, damn.

We will no longer go to the cultural city of mooryaanism, only for politics. We will cut funds like this:

[Titanium]

HUTUKING,

"Federalism" (which is really autonomy) benefits Hawiye more than Darod. Do you think a penny of those hundreds of millions that has been donated to Somalia will reach their areas? They want nothing to do with Xamar. This is a blessing. What Puntland and the others want are to handle their own affairs but they can only manage things at the micro-level or local level. Things like health or education and their own security and infrastructure. They have lots of jurisdiction but not jurisdiction that matters. And there is some difficulty in providing health and education when Somalia has for-profit doctors and teachers who get their income from their sick patients and the parents of children. They can pretty much just implement state wide educational standards or health standards. That's it.

They have no say in monetary policy, foreign affairs, international trade, criminal law. Federalism doesn't mean national power. Federal states have no say in national politics. 100 federal states isn't more powerful than the national government. They have different responsibilities. Why would Xamar want to bother themselves in providing them health, education, security and other things? Why does Xamar want to build them roads and bridges? Let them do it with the money they get from their ports. Centralism is bad. Centralism is not in your interest. Whatever money we get from international community is going straight to Xamar. Even a Puntlander or a Jubbalander will admit that they will not see a penny of it.

How many meetings do these people have in the diaspora to gather money to build a 5KM road in their towns? Muqdisho does not need diaspora cash for infrastructure. Roads are built by international aid. Like the Turks or the EU

I promise you in 5 years, they will be whining why Xamar is not sharing the international aid money. They will realize "federalism" isn't as great as it was supposed to be. Inshallah federalism stays on forever

[zidane88]

If wishes were weapons the right wing Qaldanist would destroy Daarood. unfortunately 100 years of hate toward Daarood ended up punching the keyboard.