Sayid Abdulle Xassan vs. Cali-dhuux

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

The Mullah sent a letter to the British commisioner in Berbera.

"You have to have allies because you are weak. If you were strong, like we are, then you would stand on your own, in dependent and free. This alliance of yours, with Banyaans and Moors, Sihks and Egyptians, Germans and Americans, Arabs and Kafirs and Indians - it is because you are weak, that you have to solicit, as does a prostitute."

90 years before the fact, Mohammed Said Abdullah Hassan was able to accurrately predict the composition and moral stature of todays UN.

[Ducaale004]

^^The man was ahead of Somalis 100 years. He educated himself and was a fierce nationalist.



My hat is off to him until to this day.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Ducaale
Don't get carried away. On the one hand, he was a great poet and sharp thinker. On the other, he was self-aggrandizing, violent in the extreme, and unable to compromise. Because he could not compromise, he failed in his cause, untold numbers of Somalis died, and his only residue was his poetry. He had no real political legacy and after his death the Brits were still calling the shots.

[gobdoon]

Well balaanced, MADMAX.

[Ducaale004]

goobdoon, as usual with your ilks, you blindly support the machinations of the white man in an African soil. Mad Mac knows and is well informed of the intentions of the european colonization in Africa was a pure self-aggrandizement--his beloved word. In stead , he is making Sayid Mohammed to bear the blame of his own folks and their purpose of conquering strange lands. Sayid Mohammed wa a true nationalist. He had never pursued a long term goal with high self-interest. His impact was felt in Europe and mainly in England. Many of British citizens were opposed to British's colonial war and were campaigning to block the tax money and initiatives to support that war. Unfortunately, Sayid mohammed didn't lived up to the expectations of eradicating the infidels from his earth. He died of a natural cause in Ogaden territory.



Who were exploiting Somalia the Colonial power or the man who fought for the independency of his country?

British Somaliland were even allocated provincially to the towns of England, each town advancing proprietary claim to , for instance, Sanaag--Liverpool, Togdheer-Manchester and so on.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Ducaale
I am NOT defending the British colonial experience. You are drawing false conclusions. What I am saying is that the end doesn't always justify the means. How many untold Somalis died during the time of eating filth. A lot of Isaaq (fellow Somalis and Muslims) sided with British accomodation during this time frame. The Mullah not only dismissed their position without discussion, but also set about killing tens of thousands of them. On top of that, what did it get either him or the Somalis in general? The answer to that is nothing. He accomplished nothing. It's not good enough to be fighting for the "right" side. How you fight, the methods you employ, and how successful you are also enter into the equation when we start talking legacies. The Mullah was responsible for the deaths of untold numbers of women and children and he just didn't care. That is why his legacy is not held in universal regard by the Somalis themselves. And you know this.

[Ducaale004]

People simply do not give up their rights to join a society or government imposed upon them. They are justified in any means to revolt against occupation saxib. Don't try to sidestep the legacy of Sayid Mohamed Abdule Hassan by emphasing more on the false allegations made by his enemies. Most Somalis do indeed hold him with great dignity and respect. They admire his legacy and work hard to pass it to their children. Our first nationalist song was composed in remembrance of his 21 years of struggle. When Americans, for instance, rose against the British , they were called "terrorists" but that didn't change the purpose of their war. They finally triumphed over their enemies. Similarly, Sayid was called "mad Mullah" but that hasn't yet changed his legacy and no matter how long these lackey Somalis portray him , it won't change history.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Ducaale

"People simply do not give up their rights to join a society or government imposed upon them. They are justified in any means to revolt against occupation saxib"

This statement is both morally and legally flat out wrong. Any means are not justified. Look at Iraq right now. Are you saying that the Sunnis who are using suicide bombers to kill Shi'ites because they are a competetive power base or because they consider them collaborators is justified? How many women adn children have they DELIBERATELY killed (we ain't talking collateral damage here, we are talking deliberate mass murder) in order to "resist the occupation"? Well, The Mad Mullah wiped out whole villages of Isaaqs, killing women and children. His reputation among the Somali is NOT universal, and you know it. If you don't know it, then your understanding of this issue is demonstrably poorer than mine. Someone here on Somalinet some months ago did a poll on him. The question was hero or villain and, not surprisingly, the results were mixed.

From an Islamic standpoint, there is no support for the notion that "any means" is justifiable in revolt against occupation.

[Gamadid.]

I see some guys hiding their tribe only take a cheap shot at other people's tribes.

PS: Luggooyo comes to mind

[Ducaale004]

MAD MAC Do you have a proof that he killed women and children? The only legitimate claim I would agree with you Is that the dervishes raided lackey tribes who were facilitating the means to be hunted down. It is extremely justifiable that they were punished because whoever helps your enemy is your enemy. The tremendous support of their belief system, picturing themselves (Dervish movement)and their land as under a constant threat from an external society whom they held with contempt, gave them enough reason to justify their actions religiously. The British outperformed him by having other nations come to their aid and treating the local clans with elitist approach, a method that requires some measure of responsiveness to popular support. The subordinates (lackey clans) , unaware of the conscious undertaking of Sayid Mohamed to integrate our Somali lands, ceded their land to the British except Warsangeli clan in return for financial security. However, these tactics were only a check on the expansion of British Empire.

On the other hand, America is using the same tactics in Iraq by assisting the Shiite, a proposed majority in Iraq, overcome the Sunni dominancy. In fact, the tensions involved in the sectarian division are actually hurting America strategically finish the job as planned. It may even lead to consequences such as immediate withdrawal or prolonged military engagement, anarchy, and many possible worse scenarios saxib. Infringement of people’s rights to land and self-determination always ensures defeat and I bet you that no matter how long America plans to stay in Iraq or increase the size of its military presence, the outcome will always be the same unless you let them (the occupied Iraqis) decide their own future and country.

[optimist_1]

[quote="qudhac-m"]Xoog
You are not only homeless but a hell of mindless too

HOMELESS GABAYAA BAAN AHAY KU YE [/quote]

[Sir-Luggoyo]

[quote="Gamadid."]
I see some guys hiding their tribe only take a cheap shot at other people's tribes.

PS: Luggooyo comes to mind

[/quote]



I never thought emotion and tribal loyalty would take over your reasoning, walaahi I never expected this punch from you and I always had you above the rest, but today my friend, you inadvertently exposed your insecurity. I thought Habartaa Gidir were more confident than this but you proved me wrong and I will put you in a new page in my book.

Ducaale,

Nicely put saxib, nationalism is something alien to Mad Mac and his ilk but suffice to say, the movements for indepency were the Sayid's legacy and we finally achieved our goal thanx to him

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Sir-Luggoyo"]
I never thought emotion and tribal loyalty would take over your reasoning, walaahi I never expected this punch from you and I always had you above the rest, but today my friend, you inadvertently exposed your insecurity. I thought Habartaa Gidir were more confident than this but you proved me wrong and I will put you in a new page in my book. [/quote]

Reveal your qabiil, you two faced hypocrite!


Ducaale,

Nicely put saxib, nationalism is something alien to Mad Mac and his ilk but suffice to say, the movements for indepency were the Sayid's legacy and we finally achieved our goal thanx to him [/quote]

and you won't find any atheist in the foxholes....man you're peddling all the usual stereotypes.

[Sir-Luggoyo]

Dhuusaaye,

You are in no position to ask me about qabiil, you forfeited your Somalinimo (If you were to begin with) the day you abandoned Islam and chose to become a second-hand atheist, so shuthefukkup nacalaa sinjiyadadaada ku taale

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Sir-Luggoyo"]Dhuusaaye,

You are in no position to ask me about qabiil, you forfeited your Somalinimo (If you were to begin with) the day you abandoned Islam and chose to become a second-hand atheist, so shuthefukkup nacalaa sinjiyadadaada ku taale[/quote]

Then you're in no position to comment on other qabiils when you hide yours. What the hell is that? You take jibes at other qabiils, how do we know how impartial or fair you are when we have no idea of who has your alliegence.

come out lugo.