My Vision for Somaliland

[Hawdian]

The Old Hutuking would call this idea a manifestation of true Gaalocaabudnimo and preferring christians above muslims.
The New Hutuking cares about Progress

I like the new you. Its all about progress. I am dealing with a barren region that thinks it can stand solo but not aware this is suicidal mission which only kills the innocent people in limbo, gaajo, haraad, ciidlo...

Xamar doesn't even need to chase SL...people themselves will upraise after lack of employment, water, food...of which they never thought of how to get it and where.

Hargeisa will not grow because already half of the people don't have water and they can't power up a city of millions with few wells and barkaad.

biyo la’aanta Magaalada Hargeysa oo shacabka badankiisu dhibaato badan ku qabaan ayaa waxay saamayn ku yeelatay dadka ajaanibka ah ee Caasimada booqashada ku yimaada, waxayna ka marag kaceen dhibaatada shacabku ku qabbaan biyo la’aanta. Joanna McMinn oo ah madaxa isbahaysiga xuquuqda sin-naanshaha oo safar ku yimid Caasimadda Somaliland ee Hargeysa, ayaa soo bandhigay duruufaha biyo la’aaneed ee uu ku arkay Magaalada Hargeysa, kuwaasi oo uu tilmaamay inay gaadheen in shacabka badhkii ay la wareegaan jirikaano madhan, iyagga oo doonaya inay ka soo dhaansadaan goobaha qasabadaha oo aanay weliba hubin inay ka soo helaan biyo.

We have people like Ducaysane driving this project who think nothing but Isaaq. No progress no development in mind....just his hate for Konfur and the artificial tribalism agenda. Tribe can't be a state. Period.

I don't hate you Konfur Somalis but I want to save these suicidal people. Haday idinka idin diiden, I have to find them another option. Wax kale maha. Maha I hate Somali oo Habeshi ban uu geen lakin I know north Somalia is barren land with no water, food...and can never grow without those.

Great civilizations are found on water....those who ran out lay in reins.

[skywalker25]

Interesting idea Hawdian for a proud self confessed house trained Ethiopian stooge it's not a bad start. But, your ideas have a few holes which I will try and point out.

Forgot the Ethiopia idea. We have no interest in being slaves to anyone . We are men who would rather die standing then bend to our knees as you have for a small tribe like the Tplf. For a man to admit this and be proud like you afterwards, you wouldn't understand Somalilands existence nor do we expect you. We destroyed a dictator far greater than anything Ethiopia could ever have for the soul reason not to bend to anyone as second class citizen.
In short we are the free born Isaaq's you are the slave born Isaaq we would never agree on anything. You have a master we have more in common with them than you because we both control our destiny in our hands.

Your second idea is good but with a great error. See when you look at Somalia you see maps and with the nonsense you hear forged a crazy plan. My friend Somalia is a land with people who all have their own agendas each opposite to the other. They are unable to unite and come together and that's without Somaliland. If the south was as united as Somalia is with a single goal then we could all move forward. However at the moment your plan just sounds like let's through Somaliland into the fire..

[MrPrestige]

Hawdian How does it feel that Gashaamo and Daroor are missing out on Garhajis money and job opportunities?






Burco


Livestock health care facility opened in Burco Set up by businessmen from Qatar native to western Burco

Minister of Livestock Dr. Abdi Aw Dahir inaugurated the first project on Livestock Healthcare Facility Center in west Burao at a special ceremony attended by
ministers , Chairman of Chamber of Commerce, MP’s, traditional leaders, intellectuals and guests yesterday. The Livestock Health Care Center is established by
Somaliland businessmen. The project took 3 years to be realized and has an area of 6km square, which can hold 245,000 animals(camel,cow,sheep and goats.
It will also provide jobs for 2,000 people. It is the first project of its established in Somaliland.

Dr Ibrahim Osman Sulieman(Xanaano) a specialist in livestock speaking about the benefits of the project said.
http://www.togdheernews.com/v2/?p=36063

New Hargeisa Paper factory

Wershad cusub oo aan nooceeda hore uga jirin S/land oo Hargeysa laga hirgeliyey,agabka iyo adeegyadey soo kordhisay.

Hargeisa--Wershad cusub oo soo saarta Buugagta (Paper Factory) AADCO ay badiyaaba isticmaalaan Ardayda Iskuulada oo laga hirgeliyey Bariga Magaalada Hargeysa.

Mulkiilaha wershada Aadan Axmed Diiriye (Adan Baradho) oo khudbad hordhac ah oo kooban halkaas ka jeediyey ayaa tilmaamay in wershadani tahay tii nooceeda
ugu horeysay ee Somaliland Hargeysa laga fuliyo ee soo saarta Buugaagta iyo Agabka Isguuladka, rajaynayaan inay balaadhiyaan oo aakhirka ku daraan adeegyo kale
sida paper recycling-ka ama ka faa’iideysiga hadhaaga qashinka Buugaagta iyo waraaqaha dadku daadiyaan ee isticmaal baxa ah.







http://togaherer.com/madaxweyne-siilaan ... buugaagta/

[MrPrestige]

Hawdian Is angry cause we make it rain while he's stuck with raw meat eating Ethiopians with his lands not seeing development.

[Hawdian]

Ducaysane,

I'm not angry. I am frustrated because I see the kind of people leading and misleading the Isaaq people. I see that they have no future for them. I see that they wish to hold everyone hostage like a human shield because of the scars from the past. You guys have to think mature and long term. Lick your wounds from a quarter of a century ago, stand up straight and say waryadaaheen I want my fokin share in everything whether be with Habeshi, alien or Hawiye...Dir or Darod.

But all I see is niggaz acting like a little girl...after being dumped....you know brother offers her red roses and all she does is throw them away...brother offers her a chocolate and all she does is spit on it..........but goes home and cries in the corner when no body is looking.

Isaaq like to paint this rosy picture of the crumbling and falling apart SL when Darood and Hawiye are in the room but as soon as they are out the habro claws come out and the roads erode....we try to make those things forget by bombarding ourselves with minor private achievements like the little paper mill you have posted. You are clueless to the fact that paper is made from wood aka trees and SL has none. You are also clueless to the fact that papermaking involves vast quantities of water – millions of gallons per day. Again SL has none of it. Nin kastaba wu tagi kara duudumo, but can he sustain it? Is it viable?

Soon or later Adan Baradho will close this paper mill or he will find another innovation idea.

Anigu waxas oo dhan wan ka ilbaxaay.

Amazes me how you say you have farms in konfur, lands, properties but you want to confined others to three towns that don't have sustainable future.

Very selfish just because Siad Barre hurt you not Konfur or Ethiopia.

[MrPrestige]

You should be frustrated with the lack of development in Gashaamo,Harta Sheikh, Harshin and Daroor. Isaaq in Somaliland have a brighter than those of
Ethiopia. At least the ones in Djibouti have it good, they have the economic on lock and have produced tycoons like Omar Caydiid, Osman Guelleh.
The Isaaqs in Ethiopia wa kuwa ugu liita, they are very marginalized, wa haadi ruunta la sheego. And here you're talking about wanting us to unite with
the same country where your people are marginalized.


The class of Somalilanders are like this.


1. Sijui Isaaqs - This ones are the elite mainly from Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania and Rwanda. Very educated class and wealthy.

2. Isaaq Somalilanders

3. Isaaq Djiboutians


4. Isaaqs in Ethiopia (The bottom class of the Isaaqs)


Don't worry about Somaliland since you consider yourself an Ethiopian, I don't want to see you chatting sh!t, it is time to develop Gashaamo and Daroor!

[Hawdian]

Yes, Ethiopia as a whole had it bad but all that has changed and the fortunes of Isaaq in Ethiopia will change very soon. All these conflicts that you see today is slowly smearing away. It will fade and it will give ways to business, development and progress. It is a stage by stage thing. Soon you will see that little Gashaamo will have more business buzz than waterless Hargeisa...if things remain as current status quo.

Gashaamo to Moyale, this region has brighter future than a region that wants to entertain itself that a tribe can be a Nation State, any day. Soon you will see it for yourself. Jigjiga is already surpassing Hargeisa and its not long before Harta Sheikh joins the boom and we work on better wealth sharing mechanism and development plans.

Ethiopia came out of turbulent era not so long ago and it had to make so many changes and Isaaq in Ethiopia continue to waste their time in SL region. But all that will soon change.

[MrPrestige]

You remind me of George Milton and Lennie Small of mice and men, they kept saying we will one day own a farm with our own chickens, one day we will have enough
money to leave until they f*cked up . That is the sad saga of Somalis in Ethiopia, if Isaaqs in Ethiopia are serious they need to organize their diaspora, some
of them never go back to their lands and build a house in Hargeysa.


You need to break the barrier in Ethiopia, many people are against Isaaq advancement in Ethiopia. That is the truth, trying to tarnish the No.1 homeland of the
Isaaqs (Somaliland) will not work, without Somaliland the Isaaqs in Ethiopia would have been worse off, Somaliland serves as a leverage against Ethiopia,
Djibouti and Somalia. Somaliland is the biggest weapon the Isaaq have. That is why Walanweyns and Djiboutians fear a recognized Somaliland because
they know it will have more leverage and political power in the horn of Africa.


This is how some parts of your capital Addis Ababa despite getting $billions of aid all the time looks like. I know a lot about Ethiopia went there a couple
of times, ee ima faniin kartiid.

[Hawdian]

Ducaysane,

Ethiopia and Addis Ababa is not all gold and glitter. It has many struggles and many ugly sides but it is 100 million times better than the one tribe project in limbo that came to a complete halt. The one tribe project that is built on pillar of fear and scars....the one state tribe that will erode once wounds heal and people realize boogeyman was all artificial and Siad Barre has been dead for 20 years.

Does it suck when not all Isaaq are not on board with the tribal madness? I feel your pain but think long term ninyo. Tribe and state don't go hand in hand.

Having said that, Addis Ababa was what you have posted not long ago and today its very different place but the future is more exciting.







In the next 10 to 15 years, the development will reach Jigjiga, Harta Sheikh and beyond...

It's like the United States, it didn't build NYC and LA at the same time, it progresses and today Somali Region is in the hands of Somalis and they are slowly understanding its time they joined the race....we licked all war wounds...77...Ahmed Gurey, Siyad Abdulla...etc...and your still stuck with Siad Barre.

[MrPrestige]

My point was Ethiopia is a recognized country that gets billions of aid with a massive population (work force), big land, resources in its land, yet it is not even the economic Powerhouse of east Africa. Small Kenya has put it to shame. From there we can see the Ethiopians are people lacking behind even
with recognized country and being the darling of the west in terms of aid.


Kenya which has less than half of the population in Ethiopia has more GDP than Ethiopia.


Ethiopia GDP

30.25 billion USD (2011)
Ethiopia, Gross domestic product

Kenya GDP

33.62 billion USD (2011)
Kenya, Gross domestic product

Countries in Africa that have big population like Ethiopia but smaller land who have more than five times higher GDP than that of Ethiopia.

Egypt GDP

229.5 billion USD (2011)
Egypt, Gross domestic product

Nigeria GDP

244 billion USD (2011)
Nigeria, Gross domestic product

So you see Ethiopia is nothing when you compare it with countries that is in league with them in terms of population or even less population and smaller
land than them.

[Hawdian]

Ducaysane,

Kenya's economy is impressive no doubt but it was for long powered by and benefitted by foreigners. Ethiopian economy is very different. At the moment its not the most favorable economy because its very controlled and is the reason Somalis in Ethiopia haven't made much wealth for themselves but it is entirely owned by Ethiopia...except very few things opened recently.

Also you are behind with your numbers sxb.

With a GDP of $32.3bn, Ethiopia is currently Africa’s fourth-largest economy, having surpassed Kenya to become the largest economy in East Africa. The country’s spectacular growth over the past six years has been driven largely by the services sector, which has seen substantial investment by government and the private sector.

The new Growth and Transformation Plan (2011–2015) anticipates that industry will grow at an average of 20%, while agriculture and services continue to register growth. Some analysts project GDP rising to $472bn in 15 years and per capita income rising to $4,000 over the next decade, making Ethiopia one of the three most powerful economies in Africa.

The most respected journal in Africa (NewAfrican): http://www.newafricanmagazine.com/speci ... investment

Already in 2013 its $42.7 billion.

It is also starting to open up the market and privatize thanks to the new Prime Minister, H. Desalegn.

Kenya is going to disappear from the radar.

[ZubeirAwal]

Hawdian I don't believe in ictiraaf for Somaliland, do you?

[MrPrestige]

Hawdian And Ethiopia wasn't? Ethiopia gets $billions of aid, besides Kenya has already discovered oil, its GDP will once again surpass that of Ethiopia.


What you posted is false, Ethiopia is not Africa's fourth-largest economy, nowhere near it, it has less GDP than Tunisia, Algeria, South Africa, Nigeria ,
Sudan, And many countries. Ethiopia lives on aid and its a dictatorship, that is why they will never reach their full potential like other countries in Africa.


According to the world bank.

Ethiopia as of 2012 GDP $43,133,073,099

Sudan GDP $58,768,800,833 2012

Egypt GDP $257,285,845,358 2012

Algeria GDP $207,955,103,846 2012


Tunisia GDP $45,662,043,358 2012


http://www.worldbank.org/en/country



So how is Ethiopia the fourth largest economy?

[hargaysaay]

I dont care if we form alliance with the devil himself as long as we are in this state of stagnation with completely no tangible progress
being led by old un creative tired fat cats who are only interested in filling up their back pockets . we are doomed to uncertain future.

[Hawdian]

Hawdian I don't believe in ictiraaf for Somaliland, do you?

No walaal, I don't believe one tribe can become a state. Its common sense. Specially when its whole argument is I didn't get along with a dead man. Siad Barre is gone and Somalia is no longer going to use force because then it will all go back to square one. Seek changes and make an influence like the little Puntland which is fighting hard for federalism...it is all about decentralizing Mogadishu, distributing power and wealth and bringing the capital to Erigavo is very strategic for Puntland and Somaliland.

But most SL will never work with PL because Siad Barre collided the two head on. When he was oppressing PL he was using Isaaq generals and when he was doing SL dirty he was using Majerteen like Morgan. What they don't get is he never liked either of them...and he had to do what he had to do in order to stay in power it was never about Darod vs Isaaq.

We have people like Ducaysane leading Isaaqis in SL into great isolation, depression, recession....

Isaaq in SL has to walk away and seek a deal whether they join their fellow Somalis in Somalia or their other Somalis in Somali Region in Ethiopia.

We need Isaaq thinkers not people who wear their hearts on their sleeves. Time is running out on the isolators.