Helen thomas.

Insigne · Post by **Insigne** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:48 pm

Subxanallah...is it not a sign of the times when so-called 'Muslims' will throw their deen away for Helen Thompson?

May Allah guide them. Amiin.

Insigne · Post by **Insigne** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:50 pm

AbuukarSubeer wrote:How do you know she disbelieved in Allah and his messenger, would you say an isolated man in the artic who has no knowledge of the prophet or Allah but lived a righteous life of mercy will go to hell? it is these matters which you lack evident knowledge.

There is no tawbah to be made, for I have only spoke well of the mercy of Allah, you in the other hand, have 'judged' someone to the hell, before judgment day has even arrived, as if you are reserved jannah, and that you know who's going to hell and who's not.

Did Helen Thompson live in the Arctic, innovator?

Keep playing games. It's you who will be punished for it.

ZubeirAwal · Post by **ZubeirAwal** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:52 pm

Is she not a human being, she made a statement that the jews should leave the holy land, the muslim leaders never said a thing such as this in their leaderships, the shame is on us, you do not know this woman or her life, YOU DO NOT KNOW, whats in her heart! Allah says in the qur'an the only thing that Allah will accept in yawmil qiyaama is a SOUND HEART. He didn't say a sound heart of the muslims? this is where you and I become insignficant and we bow to Allah that he knows every single one of his creation through their hearts and actions, which you do not know, yet you are hasty to say he or she is in hell, astaghfirullah.

ZubeirAwal · Post by **ZubeirAwal** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:53 pm

Did you recieve 'Wahi' from Jibril (A.S) that Helen Thomas has been thrown in the Naaraul-Hamiyah?

gurey25 · Post by **gurey25** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:54 pm

allah calls himself alraxman al raxiim.
compasion and mercy beyond the ability of humans to comprehend.
i say we reserve jusdgement for allah.

Insigne · Post by **Insigne** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:54 pm

Abuukarsubeer you know you are wrong because you have given up trying to twist hadith to serve your own desires.

That's step one of your tawbah.

The rest is between you and Allah. I cannot force you to take that step, but it is up to you unless you wish to end up like the murtad in this thread who WILL go to jahanam who you gave false hope to...

Even now after you have been so offensive to my deen I make dua for you.

This is my closing statement to you:

"Al-Aajurree reports in ash-Sharee'ah (p.57) that a man came to al-Hasan (al-Basree) and said, "O Abu Sa'eed! Let me debate with you about the Religion." Al-Hasan replied, "As for me, I know my religion, If you have lost your Religion then go and look for it." "

Insigne · Post by **Insigne** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:55 pm

gurey25 wrote:allah calls himself alraxman al raxiim.
compasion and mercy beyond the ability of humans to comprehend.
i say we reserve jusdgement for allah.

Are you a jahiil or are you rejecting the Quran and authentic Hadith of our Prophet?

Because it is one of the two and I sincerely hope it is the former.

ZubeirAwal · Post by **ZubeirAwal** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:57 pm

gurey25 wrote:allah calls himself alraxman al raxiim.
compasion and mercy beyond the ability of humans to comprehend.
i say we reserve jusdgement for allah.

This is my point, for some reasons muslims today adopted this notion that Allah's wrath is greater than his mercy, I have read somewhere that in Yawmul Qiyama peoples who have not been given the message of Islam and who were righteous in their lives will have a test that they would go through, upon reading this , I came to the conclusion that obviously judging others brings not benefit but risks harm, so it's better to leave it left out.

Insigne · Post by **Insigne** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:00 pm

AbuukarSubeer wrote:
gurey25 wrote:allah calls himself alraxman al raxiim.
compasion and mercy beyond the ability of humans to comprehend.
i say we reserve jusdgement for allah.
This is my point, for some reasons muslims today adopted this notion that Allah's wrath is greater than his mercy, I have read somewhere that in Yawmul Qiyama peoples who have not been given the message of Islam and who were righteous in their lives will have a test that they would go through, upon reading this , I came to the conclusion that obviously judging others brings not benefit but risks harm, so it's better to leave it left out.

There's nothing wrong with that. It is clear you have learned your lesson.

Don't ever lie about the words of Rasul'allah again or claim kaffirs will go to Jannah when it has been explicitly stated otherwise and is not open to disputation.

gurey25 · Post by **gurey25** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:01 pm

AbuukarSubeer wrote:
gurey25 wrote:allah calls himself alraxman al raxiim.
compasion and mercy beyond the ability of humans to comprehend.
i say we reserve jusdgement for allah.
This is my point, for some reasons muslims today adopted this notion that Allah's wrath is greater than his mercy, I have read somewhere that in Yawmul Qiyama peoples who have not been given the message of Islam and who were righteous in their lives will have a test that they would go through, upon reading this , I came to the conclusion that obviously judging others brings not benefit but risks harm, so it's better to leave it left out.

i agree

ZubeirAwal · Post by **ZubeirAwal** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:03 pm

I have never lied on the prophet nor have I made a statement that kafirs will enter Jannah. Learn how to read before rushing to make assumptions, you clearly are a individual who suffers from the diseases of the heart, hawa, defeat hawa and humble yourself amongst the world and you'll then understand everything properly, learn it with rage and you'll get nothing.

Insigne · Post by **Insigne** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:06 pm

Some people are so arrogant walahi.

They will completely alter their views/retract their statements rather than just admit they were wrong.

What is the point? Who are you trying to impress?

ZubeirAwal · Post by **ZubeirAwal** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:10 pm

Insigne wrote:Some people are so arrogant walahi.

They will completely alter their views/retract their statements rather than just admit they were wrong.

What is the point? Who are you trying to impress?

No one!, I am defending my opinions in response to your accusations of me lying on the prophet! why lie!?

I stated on hadith on the prophet and that was the last that I mentioned him, yet you get this lie out your own lies, and yet you will not recognise you lied on me on lying on the prophet, which could end in a sin for you, but I doubt you are someone who takes himself to account, it seems you are a muslim who thinks highly for himself whilst lowly for others, a manifestation of the definition of Ego

Insigne · Post by **Insigne** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:14 pm

You lied by misrepresenting a very specific hadith and generalizing it to apply to all kuffar even though it was only applicable to ahl al-kitab which no longer exists. That is a very slippery slope. You are aware of this and I don't know why you continue to deny it as though your posts are not still visible to anybody who chooses to go back a page.

lol this is a waste of time. I don't even want to embarrass you. It will gain me nothing.

You have retracted your bid'ah and that is enough for me.

Peace be unto you. Only you will have to live with your nifaq if you choose to conceal it.

Otherwise just admit you were wrong.

Rabshoole · Post by **Rabshoole** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:16 pm

She'll be missed, this country needs more realists such as herself, RIP Helen

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