The birth of the 'de-Americanized' world

[BlackVelvet]

Gurey your posts are more interesting than a lot of news articles

[Basra-]

"we still need a USA that is a major power to provide balance. "

Gurey,

It seems we are arguing much ado about nothing. IF your fore-core conclusion is such above, then we NOT need to argue further. I was under the 'assumption' YOU are an American hater. It seems u r showing 'tuff LOVE' by healthily criticizing it, I approve it.



Also---mind u I am not against Socialism per se. I am not far right idiot conservatists who just r blind complete selfish capitalists. LOL I am for a balance of Capitalism, 70% ----a socialism, 25% and 5% communism slash fascism. I think this total distribution/sum of political system pie is healthy. Socialism should be there for healthy cushions or aids to help humanity with an arm to stand--NOT a chair to be comfy and sit. Like u said-- FDR, OBAMA, etc etc should be hailed for their social programs contributions. I personally have enjoyed them. IN 2011-- I stayed the entire year--luxurious and travelling and enjoying the merits of unemployment benefits which contributed to my sabbatical vacation not to mention my very questionable sanity, that I greatly needed.

Here is where we disagree. War is good. What u call American 'war adventure' we call it an opportunity. (u r influenced by religious ideology such as Iraq and Afghanistan war as opposed to being influenced by intellectual reasons) Through out history-- War has been the mother of invention--from medical trial break throughs, to job opportunities with a ripple effects, from weapons, soldier salary, medical disaster, commercial spending economy, and mutation from injury that result in free lab for future surgeons and doctors. Even Eisenhower, the ONLY US President of active military history started the highway infrastructure that u praise in the 1930s. And where did he get the inspiration? From the war loving Nazi's. LOL Study war well, and u will notice, immediately after war, a nation booms in economy. War basically serves as the catalyst for falling down at the bottom, so that people can climb up-start a fresh if u will. Thankfully, here in America--we have our markets and capitalist greed. LOO L Greedy gambling and the systematic market crushes every other 30 or 60 years, and then starts fresh bust of boom. IT is also true, that republicans love war. That is why every time they are in office, there is a war in the vicinity. (which is why i say the republicans are serving Gods will lol - their natural bully-ish small mind is being used to fuel profitable wars) What one like u gurey, will see as "whenever they were controlled the country boomed, " is not about being controlled but. LOOL Its just that The democrats coming in to so call "save America' have already set the ball rolling towards boom, its just that--the American election system does not leave an administration long enough for the changes to happen.


Thankfully, the country is moving toward---middle politics. Meaning--not leaning towards individual ideology. We need smart politics that will unite both good elements of the parties-- and such a world will be what America was meant for !


PS Gurey-- BY NO Means am I saying--I am a republican. I am stating the facts.
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[LiquidHYDROGEN]

What's to stop a country from trading only in it's own currency or gold/silver/platinum? What's to stop it from ignoring and declining trade agreements with the west?

[FAH1223]

American exceptionalism is really funny when you look at it.
The people are so deluded and kept ignorant that they actually believe that shit, that the US is the greatest and richest country in the world.
when in reality it is the worst country in the list of developed countries when it comes to quality of life, healthcare, and the income inequality.
You also have de-industrialization as factories close all over the country and entire cities become dumps , look at Detroit and Pittsburgh.

They have lost key industries , technologies that are essential for the workings of an advanced industrial country but can no longer be found in the US.
example large steel castings used in boilers for large power stations , Nuclear stations, and even large warships like aircraft carriers.
80% of the market for these are in the hands of 2 Japanese companies , the rest of the 20% are in the hands of Koreans and 1 German company.
When the US wants to build a nuclear power plant, a large part of it will have to come from Japan because noone in the US knows how to build it anymore.
You may have to look in a nursing home to track down the last engineers that know how to build it from the 70's. .
Its even worse when it comes to electronics, most of the worlds ultra pure silicone used in chips is made by just 4 Japanese companies.
Allot of the componensts in advanced weapons from radar, to the F-22 stealth fighters computers are sourced from Japanese companies because there is no US equivalent,
examples are in Gallenuim Arsnide chips.

Due to outsourcing the US has lost technology, skills and entire industries, the very things that China the rising superpower is gaining.

But the most important reason why the US has no future is the near complete takeover of the political system of the Financiers and corporations,
the US is no longer a democracy, it is currently an oligarchy and is heading towards rule by corporations.( Who would have predicted those cheesy 80's B movies like Robocop, and escape from La would turn out to be true )
These same entities care only about profits, they are like parasites that will consume and consume till the host dies and they will die with it.
Apart form the parasitic entities the US is healthy, it has huge natural resources, vast and skilled human resources and lots of land,
it should be the land of milk and honey but it is not.

It's all about our military.

[Basra-]

What's to stop a country from trading only in it's own currency or gold/silver/platinum? What's to stop it from ignoring and declining trade agreements with the west?

Abdi...... Sure---your currency will be called North Korea. Have fun eating dirt.

[gurey25]

Well basra the difference between you and me is that i see these policies for what they are,
they are ironically similiar to what the IMF has been imposing on poor defenseless thridworld countries for decades.
Its a feeling of schadenfreude for me seeing the US middle class and the European middle classes suffering the same way.

the rest of the world will not be falling for the same tricks again, well maybe once in a while(too many brainwashed idealogus end up in countries central banks or finance ministries, probably the result of time spent at western universities )

You are right basra i do not hate america, i hate what it has becoming and what it is becoming,
i greatly admire the america of Eisenhower, JFK, FDR, those where the days where the US was admired and respected around the world and seen as a friend,
where today it is simply an infected vehicle for the parasite banksters.

i am at war with these banksters , i am ideologically opposed to them.
Those who are their enemies i see as friends, those who are their friends i see as enemies.

[Basra-]

" am at war with these banksters , i am ideologically opposed to them.
Those who are their enemies i see as friends, those who are their friends i see as enemies"


Then, Gurey--consider me YOUR IMMORTAL ENEMY!!!!

[gurey25]

What's to stop a country from trading only in it's own currency or gold/silver/platinum? What's to stop it from ignoring and declining trade agreements with the west?

If you have your own gold/silver mines or oilfields you can get way with it, but you have to be of sufficient size and millitary strength so as not to become a victim of regime change ala libya or saddam.
If you do not have these resources you will have to coordinate this with your trade partners , and they have to be of sufficient size and power as to not become an easy meal.

anybody else does it and they will get freedom and democracy imposed on them.

at best you will be another Eritrea, eritrea is a dictatorship paranoid and armed to the teeth, but thats not why the west hates, the west is happy with karimovs uzbekistan which makes eritrea look like the netherlands.
The west hates eritrea because it refuses to play by the rules, and that maybe other countries might join it in its naughtiness.

its not a choice, you have to take IMF/worldbank aid, you cannot refuse it, you also have to take their prescriptions, open your markets, align your banking structure to BIS standards, and allow corporations to come and do whatever they please.

[Basra-]

gurey


Also, I don't think it is a matter of how both of us perceive the American policies, but where our loyalty lies. My loyalty lays with The American interest, I am patriot. Where as YOU, lay your loyalty to the third world country, irrespective of nation or nationality. In essence u suffer from Super Power envy. U r a rebel. U r anti authority, and thus as naturally predisposed to hating the worlds standing police.

[FAH1223]

Not only have these parasites taken control of the government and media but they have also taken control over the education system and have been dumbing down the american people ever since.
The bullshit that just came out of basras mouth just goes to show how much the rot has taken.
It is good i find heart in all this, i am enjoying it, because the parasites are doing a good job, they are reducing the power of the US the only hyperpower on the planet,
in my lifetime i will be seeing a multipolar world where there are checks and balances .

When the dollar bubble there will be no more Iraq wars no more afghanistan adventures because they become unaffordable, the US will be cut down to size.
Still a superpower but not the sole power in the world.

now back to basras bullshit.
There is a glaring ignorance about US history from Americans, they have forgotten or have not been educated about a large part of their history.
This is where the socialism mumbo jumbo comes from.

The US today has gone back to the 1920's with its sharp turn towards the right, the unrestrained robber barons, lack of regulations that led to the 1929 depression.
From the ashes of the 1929 you got a whole load of socialism and this socialism and greater government involvement saved the US from economic disaster and then unleashed all the energies and potential that produced so much that it helped defeat the Nazis and the Japanese and propelled the US into superpower status.
Without socialism there would not have been the massive infrastructure projects like the Tennessee Valley authority , the US highway system, no Manhattan project,
No Apollo missions, no moon landing.
The elites during the recession of 1929 agreed to take a loss of power and allow more movement for the people so that the system doesn't collapse.
The energies unleashed made the wealthy decade of the 50's possible, the babyboom etc .
The US economy has been profiting and enjoying the fruit of the infrastructure built in the 30's and 40's till today, and it is crumbling.
When you look further back you see the "socialist" things done by Abraham lincoln that saved the union, and help fuel the growth decades later, like the homestead act, the creation of publicly funded colleges that evolved into the state universities of today.
Without Abe lincoln there would not have bee the guilded age , the time of edison, rockefeller, carnegie etc.
You go further back and you find yourself tot he time of founding fathers, especially alexander hamilton and his American system that led to the industrilization of the US,
which was strongly opposed by the british, and their minion the bankers and planters in the south.
todays idiots talking about socialism without knowing what it means would see alexander hamilton as a socialism, Lincoln a communist,
and FDR and JFK evil bolshevik communists.



througout US history right from the start you had the same parasites , whenever they were controled the country boomed, the periods they achieved some power where coincidently the time of economic panics, recessions and busts, the last time they came to forefront was the 80's with reagan and they have been growing in power ever since.
This time they are dealing with an ill educated population, that does not know who is the enemy, nor their rights.

The damage they do this time will be massive, i pray that it is not too much,
we still need a USA that is a major power to provide balance.

Revisionist history and losing history has been part and parcel of our education system for the last quarter century IMO. I remember in US History class in 11th grade about how our teacher blatantly shot down a student about the morality of Hiroshima and Nagaski, about America's rise to becoming a Superpower due to the military industrial complex, ETC while the teacher blatantly harped on about exceptionalism and how the US was immune to history of past super powers....

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

What's to stop a country from trading only in it's own currency or gold/silver/platinum? What's to stop it from ignoring and declining trade agreements with the west?

If you have your own gold/silver mines or oilfields you can get way with it, but you have to be of sufficient size and millitary strength so as not to become a victim of regime change ala libya or saddam.
If you do not have these resources you will have to coordinate this with your trade partners , and they have to be of sufficient size and power as to not become an easy meal.

anybody else does it and they will get freedom and democracy imposed on them.

at best you will be another Eritrea, eritrea is a dictatorship paranoid and armed to the teeth, but thats not why the west hates, the west is happy with karimovs uzbekistan which makes eritrea look like the netherlands.
The west hates eritrea because it refuses to play by the rules, and that maybe other countries might join it in its naughtiness.

its not a choice, you have to take IMF/worldbank aid, you cannot refuse it, you also have to take their prescriptions, open your markets, align your banking structure to BIS standards, and allow corporations to come and do whatever they please.

I doubt very much that even the US has the gall to change every regime and government they don't like. The bigger concerns are Black Ops type operations to kill an incumbent pres or dictator and back his rival - usually "oppressed" like Tsvangerai or Mousavi. Another thing would be crippling sanctions like on Zimbabwe or Iran. But that would make me more determined and I would make economic and military alliances with these marginalised nations. Somalia has literally been to hell and back, nothing America or the EU did would really daunt us much. Working together with Eritrea, Iran, China and the South Americans I would only trade in Somali currency or commodities and I wouldn't take a dime whether in AID or loans from western countries or their numerous Puppets i.e. IMF, WB, UN etc.

[gurey25]

I doubt very much that even the US has the gall to change every regime and government they don't like. The bigger concerns are Black Ops type operations to kill an incumbent pres or dictator and back his rival - usually "oppressed" like Tsvangerai or Mousavi. Another thing would be crippling sanctions like on Zimbabwe or Iran. But that would make me more determined and I would make economic and military alliances with these marginalised nations. Somalia has literally been to hell and back, nothing America or the EU did would really daunt us much. Working together with Eritrea, Iran, China and the South Americans I would only trade in Somali currency or commodities and I wouldn't take a dime whether in AID or loans from western countries or their numerous Puppets i.e. IMF, WB, UN etc.

sanctions are more efficient, but this is a serious thing, by not playing the game you threaten their livelyhood, believe me its worth invading every little country.
look what they did to zimbabwe.
this is a serious matter, and countries that which to get the yoke off their backs need to do it slowly and use deception.
You will have to use their system and accept it, but you can do what allot of countries have done, which is fiddle with the system, jury rig it and turn it into something that works for you.

[James Dahl]

China doesn't want to de-Americanize the world, they want to Sinicize it. Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.

[Basra-]

China CANNOT be 'NEW' Boss. They have insurmountable blocks ahead of them. (thankfully)

1. Aging population.

2. Over population.

3. Human unfriendly political system, especially in the global modern world. Suppression of humanity only leads to falling down.

4. Last but certainly not least--- lack of "vast land" like gurey has envied the USA. I believe this is the worst. It cannot hold its population. The only out for them is to literally control their population or rob some people a land. (just like the jews did)

[FAH1223]

China CANNOT be 'NEW' Boss. They have insurmountable blocks ahead of them. (thankfully)

1. Aging population.

2. Over population.

3. Human unfriendly political system, especially in the global modern world. Suppression of humanity only leads to falling down.

4. Last but certainly not least--- lack of "vast land" like gurey has envied the USA. I believe this is the worst. It cannot hold its population. The only out for them is to literally control their population or rob some people a land. (just like the jews did)

You've got to be kidding me.